Is there a Time to die?

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Do you believe there is a Time to die?
A dictate of ceasing to function from the heavens/God that says we must breath our last breath at a given moment?
Should we be allowed to live much longer not just 20 but say another 100 or even a thousand years?

This was an interesting view
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...es/time2.shtml

And this research made me question my views on mortality

http://www.buckinstitute.org/Main.aspx?id=744

But do I want too live longer not be old and infirm, but active?
Hell yes but it would cripple my pension company

[Osborn F Enready]

I will die when I breathe my last free breath as an individual, and if it is not by my own will, those who seek to remove my rights shall perish with me by the power I have vested in me, as man, as long as my faculties serve me.

[SteveA]

Given the choice between living a life I desired for 50 years or living a life I didn't desire for 100 years, it seems better to be satisfied with yourself and your life than not be satisfied and have to life twice as long on top of it (The same argument can be applied to jogging )

[PatrickHenry]

Interesting topic. Many of us wake up on our last day of life on this Earth and have no inkling. But it is the last day.

Would it be OK if today was YOUR last day?

[Osborn F Enready]

Patrick said: Would it be OK if today was YOUR last day?

I say:
It would never be "ok" if we value life, because we always mourn losing something we value.

I am prepared for my last days however, whatever form they may take. I have made my peace with myself and what I deem important, and my friends know where I stand and why. That is truly all I could ask for is understanding.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Interesting topic. Many of us wake up on our last day of life on this Earth and have no inkling. But it is the last day. Would it be OK if today was YOUR last day?

Patrick if my training and practice are correct then it will be a wonderful day to die :)

But really i posted this about what seems to be artificial means of improving longevity. Apart from all of the financial implications and the morals of whom would have the right to such treatement.

Yet if it is meant to be then it shall become so!

But it is an interesting option and one i'm most unlikely to be given the opportunity to decide upon

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: It would never be "ok" if we value life, because we always mourn losing something we value. I am prepared for my last days however, whatever form they may take. I have made my peace with myself and what I deem important, and my friends know where I stand and why. That is truly all I could ask for is understanding.

Osborn good to hear you are at peace with yourself.

Whilst i value life i cannot mourn rather celebrate the life gone and have made arrrangements for others too experience such an opportunity when i cease to be a carbon lifeform :)

[Nono]

Quote by: Awran Patrick if my training and practice are correct then it will be a wonderful day to die.

I think Pope John XXIII said something like: "Every day is a good day to be born, every day is a good day to die."
Inspiring words, but true? Is there any such thing as a good day to die?

[Osborn F Enready]

Arawn-Ap-Hywel said: Whilst i value life i cannot mourn rather celebrate the life gone and have made arrrangements for others too experience such an opportunity when i cease to be a carbon lifeform

I say:
That is a noble, and endearing way to pass and thank your friends for sharing their lives with you.

I often contemplate much the same type of thing, and hope my budget at the time will allow this to happen in my case. I think I will be cremated with no showing, only a "Celebration of Passing" party paid for by the money it would take for burial. I want my urn shaped like an ashtray, so it can be used by my friends after I pass as an ashtray. I also want them all to burn a big fat joint of green bud, and toast my leaving, being sure to roach it in my urn as a gesture of passing.

Nono said: "Every day is a good day to be born, every day is a good day to die." Inspiring words, but true? Is there any such thing as a good day to die?

I say:
I am still asking if it was a good day to be born, or a good world to be born into.

I couldn't in good conscience bring a child into this world today, and I won't until the situation makes it possible to raise that child as I see fit.

I would say there is an equally good chance (50/50) that if it is a good day to be born for one, it is surely a good day to die for another.

[phoenix_fire]

Hmmm...thoughts on dying:

Klingon saying: "Today is [or 'is not'] a good day to die"

Philippians 1:21: "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."

The Byrds (based on Ecclesiastes):

To everything, turn, turn, turn
There is a season, turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep


Basically, I believe everything to be an eventuality. All things will happen, have happened, are happening. Everything has already happened and we're only just finding out. But God is in every moment, even the ones we already know about. The beginning is cotemporal with the end. The seed and the ashes inhabit the same plane. Everything is predetermined yet at the same time, blissfully chaotic. There are no foregone conclusions, but He who stands at the end waiting for us with outstretched arms also walks beside us, helping us on. And this is not strange because there is, has always been only One. People just never seem to understand that.

[Osborn F Enready]

Mainly because not all people think there is only one. And there is no proof that there is, or isn't.

[Ghumanto]

Death is no stronger to overcome me and catch me unprepared ! I'll die when I'm ready !
For this moment - I've decided to live !
These are the words of a painter when she was crippled by cancer and about to die.

When I was about to be anesthesized for a major surgery - I told these lines to the surgeon . It gives you some strength .

[Technosoul]

Well I am not going to punch no time clock card when I depart. However we do seem to have a built in bio time clock that regulates our growth, and then it seems to wind down after so many years of ticking away. We use time as our means of measuring age and so forth. But I do not think that random accidents that might kill someone "before his time is up" is regulated by anything or any One. Such concepts are used for the purpose of giving us peace of mind when we think death was unfair for someome.

It is all here and now but the question is - when we are not here now does time vanish for us? No point in answering that because it would just be a wild guess.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Mainly because not all people think there is only one. And there is no proof that there is, or isn't.

I was expecting you to get caught at the higher dimensional stuff. I did introduce my personal cosmology, but no matter. I was just introducing a concept of time other than the linear to the discussion.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Technosoul Well I am not going to punch no time clock card when I depart. However we do seem to have a built in bio time clock that regulates our growth, and then it seems to wind down after so many years of ticking away. We use time as our means of measuring age and so forth. But I do not think that random accidents that might kill someone "before his time is up" is regulated by anything or any One. Such concepts are used for the purpose of giving us peace of mind when we think death was unfair for someome. It is all here and now but the question is - when we are not here now does time vanish for us? No point in answering that because it would just be a wild guess.

Have you ever read the manga Yu Yu Hakusho ?

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: Technosoul However we do seem to have a built in bio time clock that regulates our growth, and then it seems to wind down after so many years of ticking away. We use time as our means of measuring age and so forth..

The topic is also about this time and the scientific possibilities of controling that bio clock thus giving longevity, if offered would you take it?

Quote by: Technosoul But I do not think that random accidents that might kill someone "before his time is up" is regulated by anything or any One. Such concepts are used for the purpose of giving us peace of mind when we think death was unfair for someome.

Why would you think death is unfair? A very Western christian concept were people mourn loss rather than celebrate life

Quote by: Technosoul It is all here and now but the question is - when we are not here now does time vanish for us? No point in answering that because it would just be a wild guess.

Good question and how wild would be your guess?

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel Do you believe there is a Time to die? A dictate of ceasing to function from the heavens/God that says we must breath our last breath at a given moment? Should we be allowed to live much longer not just 20 but say another 100 or even a thousand years? This was an interesting view http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...es/time2.shtml And this research made me question my views on mortality http://www.buckinstitute.org/Main.aspx?id=744 But do I want too live longer not be old and infirm, but active? Hell yes but it would cripple my pension company

I don't really have that view, but mine is that tomorrow is not promised. best do the best job you can with today.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel The topic is also about this time and the scientific possibilities of controling that bio clock thus giving longevity, if offered would you take it? Why would you think death is unfair? A very Western christian concept were people mourn loss rather than celebrate life Good question and how wild would be your guess?

As far as my physical life here and now I do a lot of stuff to manipulate the bio time clock so that I can live without suffering for a longer time. But cannot say for sure if it works until I get super old. (if I do?). Concerning scientific manipulation (by others or chemically) I would have to check out the "long term effects" of such methods before saying yea or nay. Estabishing right attitudes (humor - etc) would be worthwhile suggestions to try out.

I do not think death is unfair per-say but stated that such is given or suggested so that people can make sense out of an untimely death of a child or whatever. I do not advocate such one way or the other. Because people often feel death is unfair if a child dies and has not had a chance to live a full life. People get mad if a loved one is "taken away from them" by death. So religions and philosophy has come up with a lot of different concepts or "sayings" to soothe the pain people feel emotionally about the death of others. I do not object to that but cannot say it is realistic or not for sure.

My wild guess is that one of two things can happen when we die. Our spirit continues in some manner in the next life (and I reject all ideas of hell and such mythological dimensions). Or else we fade into total unconsicousness and so could not be aware of anything anymore. In both cases everything would be all right as we have nothing to fear concerning what is beyond this existance (my wild guess). So our main and only concern is what happens here and now - a properly managed here and now would insure (or help to insure) that continued flow in whatever the future might be - as also being well managed. If the creek don't rise. The logic is to get the "if" out of our here and now and then "what, me worry?" can direct us into happyness.

[phoenix_fire]

We use technology to prolong our lives all of the time. Whenever we get an immunization or take a vitamin or get a surgery, that's exactly what we're doing. I can't unilaterally say that I wouldn't utilize science to prolong my life, but on the other hand, I don't want to live forever in this form. Besides, an accident or murder could just as well take me out before I hit middle age, and I'm ok with that.

For some far-out ideas on death and eventuality, check out "The Time Machine" or the "Final Destination" movies.

[Technosoul]

It once occured to me that the afterlife is this place in what we call our imagination - only when our spirit goes inwardly to the imaginary zone it is in control of the dreamstate and can direct all the events happening by free will.

One intestesting department is the through the door labeled "Hollywood Heaven". Throughout eternity you can watch endless films about life on earth, as you know our life flashes before us at death and that is because the memory is rewinding like a tape in your VCR (if you still have one of those outdated things). Those rewinded tapes are stored away in hollywood heaven to later viewing by anyone who wants to check one out. The people who live the most exciting lives are rented more so then those who live boring lives when on earth - lots of adventures, romances, and even wars are popular up in Hollywood Heaven. You can watch movies of people who lived in any time zone, during biblical times, during the cave man days, during the 1950s, and from all parts of the globe, and not only that but you can view what the world was like during the dinosaur age via the tapes from animals that lived back then, and from fish in the ocean, and even via the tapes of microscopic creatures and tiny ants. Experience life of every nationality and culture in every era. And as new tapes come down the pike you can keep up on the latest world happenings into a kind of science fiction space age future (not yet known to us currently). The world is full of eyes watching everything and it is all being recorded and stocked away like treasures in heaven for later review by those who go to Hollywood Heaven. Enjoy. PS - no late fees if not tape is not returned right away - we got forever and ever anyway. So if you hear about someone's life flashing past them in reverse at a high rate of speed during a near death experience - you will now know why. See you at the movies.