Christians rioting against Muslims in Nigeria

[Osborn F Enready]

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=88493

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...18/ai_79514978

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/140/23.0.html

Christians, bringing more peace through violence...... :rolleyes:

Well, so much for being the religion of "peace"......

[grandpa]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=88493 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...18/ai_79514978 http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/140/23.0.html Christians, bringing more peace through violence...... :rolleyes: Well, so much for being the religion of "peace"......

Oh, religion. It's so amazing to me how these people are rioting over beliefs their own cultures didn't even cultivate. Can't they see the obvious? Don't they see how they've been brainwashed and turned against each other?

Grandpa h.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: grandpa Oh, religion. It's so amazing to me how these people are rioting over beliefs their own cultures didn't even cultivate. Can't they see the obvious? Don't they see how they've been brainwashed and turned against each other? Grandpa h.

Quite simply, no, they cannot.


It's time for the old "you more moderate _______ need to reign in the more extreme among your group of _________ " speech.


I'm so torn on this issue. On one hand, we all know it's wrong to go around killing people for thier beliefs, but on the other hand, they are exercising their self determination in dealing with what we all know to be an ever present, and perpetual problem in society.


It's not like they were ever going to be able to get along.


I seem unable to resolve my inner conflict on these damned religious battles, well, other than to condemn both sides for creating the atmosphere of intolerence that conflicting religions tend to create. There can't be two ultimate truths, can there?

[Yusuf]

Greetings to all.

I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism.

Yusuf

[rez]

Quote by: Yusuf Greetings to all. I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism. Yusuf

Maybe these followers should follow something that works.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Yusuf Greetings to all. I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism. Yusuf

Interesting point. If you can't judge the religion by the actions of its followers, then what DO you judge it by? The words without deeds to give them meaning are nothing on their own.

If you only go by the words and NOT how they motivate people to act you can take any number of mediocre poems from the 60's and put them up against any religion you can name.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Yusuf Greetings to all. I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism.

I disagree. Christians ARE Christianity. Muslims ARE Islam. Without Christians and Muslims these religions would simply vanish. Why? It takes people to indoctrinate.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Interesting point. If you can't judge the religion by the actions of its followers, then what DO you judge it by? The words without deeds to give them meaning are nothing on their own. If you only go by the words and NOT how they motivate people to act you can take any number of mediocre poems from the 60's and put them up against any religion you can name.

There is also some truly beautiful Taoist poetry.

Grandpa h.

[Apeman81]

From the attached stories:

"However, the spark that set off the Jos conflict, church leaders said, came from the Muslim practice of barricading roads on Fridays, which, they said, created difficulties for non-Muslims."

"Christian youths rampaged through the streets attacking Muslims with cutlasses and setting fire to them with petrol to avenge the killing of at least 46 people, mostly Christians, by Muslim mobs in the north."

Odd how you choose skewer the Christians with no mention of the Muslims that seem to have set the flames. Let us not forget Sudan. You would do well to achieve balance.

It is not right to strike back, to seek revenge. But man is a sinner. And the sin of provocation is no less a sin.

[Boetie]

What's weird about all this is that all these religions claim to know about love.

With all this love, you would think this would be a great planet to live in.

But nothing manifests out of any of these religions that is even close to love.

Hell, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are against love.

God doesn't even know how to love.

[tinybear]

Odd, everytime we see a religious disturbance or conflict, we always say:"Oh, but this is the action of a few fanatics, the majority are still moderate and peace-loving people". Well, if these moderates are sooo much in the majority, why can't they control/discipline this minute minority of hotheads?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tinybear Odd, everytime we see a religious disturbance or conflict, we always say:"Oh, but this is the action of a few fanatics, the majority are still moderate and peace-loving people". Well, if these moderates are sooo much in the majority, why can't they control/discipline this minute minority of hotheads?

Probably because they would become the "infidel" and run the real risk of having these fanatic assholes rub THEM out too!

Actually, I see your point and I have asked something very similar of the few Muslims (and anyone else who'll listen) on this forum and elsewhere. In reality, they wouldn't have to physically stop the fanatics. I would be happy if all the absolutely HIGHEST level of Muslim cleric, ayatollahs, Imams or whatever you call them got together and all loudly proclaimed for ALL to hear, "YOU FANATICS ARE NOT MEMBERS OF OUR FAITH AND YOU WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GET INTO HEAVEN AND YOU DON'T GET ANY VIRGINS OR ANYTHING ELSE. YOU KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE OR YOURSELVES AND YOU GO TO HELL, PERIOD! THE SMALL MEN LEADING YOU ARE FALSE LEADERS AND YOU SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM BUT RETURN TO YOUT REAL FAITH.

WE, THE TRUE LEADERS OF ISLAM HAVE SPOKEN...SO KNOCK IT OFF!"

If they did that I might think these animals ARE nasty little offshoots of a decent religion. Hell, I couldn't even get Abdulla to agree to that much. But I won't recognize this religion as anything other than a repressive tool of robed politicians until the "true" leaders of Islam take responsibility for their own religion and publicly denounce these bastards.

[deedee]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/140/23.0.html Christians, bringing more peace through violence...... :rolleyes: Well, so much for being the religion of "peace"......

Why would you provide a link that says:

• However, the spark that set off the Jos conflict, church leaders said, came from the Muslim practice of barricading roads on Fridays, which, they said, created difficulties for non-Muslims.
  
  On September 7, a Christian woman attempted to cross a barricaded street, which led to a scuffle between her and a group of Muslims, church leaders said. The fight spread to other parts of the city, where Christians were spontaneously attacked by Muslims, according to church leaders.
  

So much for reading the whole thing about who started what. :rolleyes:

[RickSp]

Quote by: Yusuf Greetings to all. I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism. Yusuf

How else can you judge a religion? If its followers commit horrific acts in the name of whichever diety they follow, why shouldn't we judge both the followers and their beliefs?

If the only way to judge a religion is to determine which dogma spins the most beautiful fairy tale, fine, but I doubt the religious would be happy with that either.

Whether crusaders or jihadis, our beliefs have no meaning unless they are translated into actions, and by our actions should we and our beliefs be judged.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp How else can you judge a religion? If its followers commit horrific acts in the name of whichever diety they follow, why shouldn't we judge both the followers and their beliefs?

When people band together in a religion, organization, club, mass gathering.....there will be horrific acts anyway. It's called being human.

Quote by: RickSp If the only way to judge a religion is to determine which dogma spins the most beautiful fairy tale, fine, but I doubt the religious would be happy with that either.

Everything is dogma......a belief that one draws on their own free will based on their own experiences. Belief systems are not bad.....it is when a person 'does harm' to another.

Quote by: RickSp Whether crusaders or jihadis, our beliefs have no meaning unless they are translated into actions, and by our actions should we and our beliefs be judged.

One could say the same thing about a Corporation's Mission statement......a non-profit organization's ideology. The point is this......when one harms another.....there will be a reaction because of it.

[rez]

Quote by: deedee When people band together in a religion, organization, club, mass gathering.....there will be horrific acts anyway. It's called being human.

humans for many years have tried to create a utopia society, however this only creates more confusion and chaos. It is up to the humans to realize that man is no better then beast. Christianity blinds one from the connection of man and beast by proudly announcing that our creation was made in the image and likeness of a supreme being.

Belief systems are bad. They create boundaries for the human mind (example a creationist is not allowed to learn basic biology). When a belief is proven wrong it will not be acknowledged by the believer because he/she has "FAITH". Faith requires one to willfully be ignorant to information no matter how much evidence is presented.


and lastly. I will end with Bill Hicks quote. "Beliefs are neat.....cherish them...but don't speak them as the TRUTH". and here you have it.... http://www.indianexpress....ontent_id=88493 a bunch of people proclaiming their beliefs as the TRUTH.

[rez]

Quote by: Apeman81 From the attached stories: "However, the spark that set off the Jos conflict, church leaders said, came from the Muslim practice of barricading roads on Fridays, which, they said, created difficulties for non-Muslims." "Christian youths rampaged through the streets attacking Muslims with cutlasses and setting fire to them with petrol to avenge the killing of at least 46 people, mostly Christians, by Muslim mobs in the north." Odd how you choose skewer the Christians with no mention of the Muslims that seem to have set the flames. Let us not forget Sudan. You would do well to achieve balance. It is not right to strike back, to seek revenge. But man is a sinner. And the sin of provocation is no less a sin.

um we are talking about RELIGION and beliefs and how humans trying to create a utopian society can only hurt society. are you actually defending your christian right?

[deedee]

Quote by: rez humans for many years have tried to create a utopia society, however this only creates more confusion and chaos. It is up to the humans to realize that man is no better then beast. Christianity blinds one from the connection of man and beast by proudly announcing that our creation was made in the image and likeness of a supreme being. Belief systems are bad. They create boundaries for the human mind (example a creationist is not allowed to learn basic biology). When a belief is proven wrong it will not be acknowledged by the believer because he/she has "FAITH". Faith requires one to willfully be ignorant to information no matter how much evidence is presented. and lastly. I will end with Bill Hicks quote. "Beliefs are neat.....cherish them...but don't speak them as the TRUTH". and here you have it.... http://www.indianexpress....ontent_id=88493 a bunch of people proclaiming their beliefs as the TRUTH.

Man is better than beast. We are able to come up with ideas and be 'creationists'.

Democracy is a belief system.....do you care to disagree with me?

Look at our current democracy now as it is.......political parties harm one another albeit verbal abuses.

[deedee]

Quote by: rez um we are talking about RELIGION and beliefs and how humans trying to create a utopian society can only hurt society. are you actually defending your christian right?

Pay attention....the author of this thread provided a link to an article that said:

On September 7, a Christian woman attempted to cross a barricaded street, which led to a scuffle between her and a group of Muslims, church leaders said. The fight spread to other parts of the city, where Christians were spontaneously attacked by Muslims, according to church leaders.

Christians were attacked......Christians SHOULD defend themselves when being harmed severely.

[rez]

Quote by: deedee Pay attention....the author of this thread provided a link to an article that said: On September 7, a Christian woman attempted to cross a barricaded street, which led to a scuffle between her and a group of Muslims, church leaders said. The fight spread to other parts of the city, where Christians were spontaneously attacked by Muslims, according to church leaders. Christians were attacked......Christians SHOULD defend themselves when being harmed severely.

No, a CHRISTIAN was attacked. This is no different then the crips and the bloods. A blood memeber shoots a crip memeber now ALL the crip memebers need to get REVENGE on the blood memebers.

P.S. If you would look at the thread and how it developed you would see that the majority of people are talking about religion and beliefs and how it causes corruption. The thread topic was a spark to the whole process of thinking about this certain corruption.