Christians rioting against Muslims in Nigeria

[Osborn F Enready]

That is why more people need to start LEARNING how OUR GOVERNMENT is supposed to operate, and that is aimed at ALL people reading, REGARDLESS of where you are from.

Ignorant people are led, educated citizens are governed.

[deedee]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready That is why more people need to start LEARNING how OUR GOVERNMENT is supposed to operate, and that is aimed at ALL people reading, REGARDLESS of where you are from. Ignorant people are led, educated citizens are governed.

People need to register to vote -- only half of the American population can vote. If there are some who don't trust our politicians.........*ahem....they should form PACS or special interest groups and take advantage of their right to do so.

Regardless......Congressman, Senators and public servant officials are voted positions. They have been voted by those who took the time to register and vote -- it's called democracy.

[Chilly]

Quote by: grandpa All adult Americans had a role to play in the war. That's one of the negative aspects of citizenship--it ties us to things we may not want to be a part of no matter where we are. Grandpa h.

I disagree with this. John Jojammer living in rural Utah has about as much control over Jony Slickdevil living in New York City as I do over the breeding habits of ants.

Those with power are those with money. They're almost always men and almost always white. Anyone else has to struggle long and hard in the court of public opinion (Martin Luther King, Jr. for example) to make his or her mark as a leader (usually, there have been exceptions). The guys currently calling the shots bought their way there. Even if John Jojammer dared to speak out against the establishment, he'd soon go broke defending the defamation suit. That's the way things work. The wealthy call all the shots and control free speech - and "free" speech can get pretty expensive if you tick off the wrong person.

Chill

[brien]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=88493 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...18/ai_79514978 http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/140/23.0.html Christians, bringing more peace through violence...... :rolleyes: Well, so much for being the religion of "peace"......

Organized religion is a fake, a phony and a sham. Twain said: "church ain't shucks to a circus." and I believe him.

It has caused countless deaths and countless wars, all in the name of a God who people can't even agree on to define. Talk about hypocrites, religious fanatics are even worse than politicians. And one has to go quite far to top them.

Organized religion

[Osborn F Enready]

DeeDee said: People need to register to vote -- only half of the American population can vote. If there are some who don't trust our politicians.........*ahem....they should form PACS or special interest groups and take advantage of their right to do so.

I say:
Why become another tentacle of the problem? The problem is PACS and special intrest groups, lobbyists, pork, earmarks, lies, lack of accountability and an absolute ignorance of the role of the Constitution. Until there is more than two parties to choose from officially, it is counter productive to be a part of the problem. That money could be spent in better ways, to do more good.

I am helping an Ohio canidate right now, trying to get him on the ballot. You want a challenge, try getting a third party recognized against the bi-partisan monopoly enforced in local, state and federal laws!!!!! What am I saying though, you are part of the Neo-Con movement aren't you? (acknowledging ahead of time I may be wrong in my conclusion.)

DeeDee said: Regardless......Congressman, Senators and public servant officials are voted positions. They have been voted by those who took the time to register and vote -- it's called democracy.

I say:
I agree, but your answer is too vague. I challenge you to be more accurate in your assesment. I think it would more appropriately be called a rigged, or fixed democracy, since the bi-partisan monopoly has effectively wrangled all support in laws that only apply to them. I would also say your little democracy rieks of coruption from corporate influence, and pork peddlers in the form of lobbyists and the groups you speak of.

This U.S. resembles nothing like the Constitutionally Limited, Democratic Representative Republic it was designed as, and the neo-cons have been brainwashed into buying the story that we are a "democracy". How much more vague could you have been?

Scham democracy, maybe?

[Osborn F Enready]

Brien said: Organized religion is a fake, a phony and a sham. Twain said: "church ain't shucks to a circus." and I believe him. It has caused countless deaths and countless wars, all in the name of a God who people can't even agree on to define. Talk about hypocrites, religious fanatics are even worse than politicians. And one has to go quite far to top them.

I say:
I agree 100%. A mans beliefs are between man and God of his beleifs. There is no need for external validation through focus groups, and organized cultism. If you need external validation as an individual, it should extend as far as the family, if they will tolerate it and accept it.

The old saying comes to mind......
"you just don't talk about religion with people you like, if you want to keep like'n em."

There are some differences carved in stone in the individuals core. That is why it is best to focus on the common threads, and not the vast amount of differences in law.

[Osborn F Enready]

Chilly said: Those with power are those with money. They're almost always men and almost always white. Anyone else has to struggle long and hard in the court of public opinion (Martin Luther King, Jr. for example) to make his or her mark as a leader (usually, there have been exceptions). The guys currently calling the shots bought their way there. Even if John Jojammer dared to speak out against the establishment, he'd soon go broke defending the defamation suit. That's the way things work. The wealthy call all the shots and control free speech - and "free" speech can get pretty expensive if you tick off the wrong person.

I say:
Now ask the hard question. How did it get this way? It is not that hard to figure out using your own voiced logic. Follow the money trail, uncover the truths buried under reams of lies and propaganda, follow the names to their jobs and connections, notice the dates of new laws being passed and who pushed and supported them, and VOILA! Answers become much clearer.

I know the answers, and they all involve the strays AWAY from Constitutional law, mainly concerning size of government, scope of government, banking and finance and everybodies favorite topic, TAXATION.

If we operated according to the designs of the system, the system would yield back what it was designed to provide, liberty and justice for all.

We live in a world of absolute controlled information, minus of course the internet, which is short lived, and exclusive already. WE are limited by money because WE the people can't compete on an individual level with CORPORATIONS who are bands of few individuals, granted the rights of one individual, but with NO RESPONSIBILITIES, at least accountable by law.

Give the power over the right to incorporate back to the people, ban all corporations from using the 14th amendment for legal purposes, and we will be well on our way back to being able to restore constitutional law, representative government, REASONABLE taxation based on necessity and not pork, less military aggression, and more defense building and training and of course less involving foreign policies focusing on our nation and the nations that respect the rights of the individuals that make them up, so we can truly once again, encourage a free trade market between right recognizing nations.

[SaintLucifer]

Quote by: Yusuf Greetings to all. I find it preposterous that you judge a religion based on the actions of it's followers, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Christians are not Christianity, they only claim to follow the Christian religion. Likewise is it with Muslims, who's ability to think rationally becomes suppressed by anger, which results in extremism. Yusuf

What exactly do Muslims have to be angry about? They have 1 billion individuals following the so-called 'principles' of Islam. They have dictatorial governments in their own homelands. They own a major portion of the world's main energy supply - oil. They have managed through the USA to force Israel to capitulate on some fronts towards their goal of pushing that state into the sea. A major victory was won by Islam through the election of Hamas within the Palestinian political front. Tell me again what exactly these people have to be angry about? I shall tell you what the real problem is. Islam has no real power. Zero. Nada. Their homelands are too weak to effect any change upon our world thus they have become a second-rate religion. Extremism actually defines Islam for does not the Qu'ran demand that all infidels (see non-believers of Islam) be killed? I can assure you it does. How is it deemed to be 'extremism' when the Muslim merely follow the tenets of Islam set down by their ridiculous prophet Mohammed? Even the Holy Bible call for an end to those who do not follow the tenets of Christianity. It is only 'extremism' when the words of a specific religion are perverted to meet their own political ambitions.
The Muslims lost their Empire (Ottman Empire which was once one of the largest on earth) when they were stupid enough to pick a fight with the much-larger British Empire. As a result the British destroyed that Muslim Empire. Perhaps the Muslims are none to happy about this yes? They need to be told they brought the end to their Empire upon themselves. Rather a stupid move attacking an Empire that was far more powerful than they were. It is my contention that the individuals of earth should be thanking my British ancestors for ensuring the destruction of the Ottoman Empire for if the Muslims could cause this much trouble without any power can one imagine what the Muslims could do with a powerful Empire backing them up? You are all welcome. Christianity never sought out the destruction of other religions. At worst it only sought to convert others to worship their religion. This is to be expected since religions desire to increase the number of their followers. Islam does this through force (see the Balkans for proof as one would be hard-pressed to believe blue-eyed blonde individuals sought to become Muslim). The world should be thankful to the European empires for keeping the expansion of the Ottoman Empire in check which is why Islam only got as far as Bosnia etc. Could one imagine an Europe ruled by Arab leaders? You people have no idea of the things that could have happened had the Muslims succeeded with their expansion into Europe. Christianity stopped the Muslims cold. This was pure DEFENCE just as it is in Nigeria where Christians are fighting Muslims as they should. Let us never forget the Muslims attacked first. You would the Christians should simply sit there and allow themselves to be overcome? Rather a stupid view I daresay. It is my contention that when the British crushed the Ottoman Empire it should have sought out further destruction of Islam. This would simply be an act of self-defence for jihad seeks an end to the lives of all infidels (read the Qu'ran people). Destroy others before they destroy you. Simple. The Soviets entered Afghanistan (they never invaded people, they were invited by the ruling Communist Party of Afghanistan to defend them from the nutcase Mujahadeen who are today's Taliban). Read a little history people. Islam is a danger that needs to be crushed. AGAIN.

SaintLucifer
The Dark Saint

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: deedee People need to register to vote -- only half of the American population can vote. If there are some who don't trust our politicians.........*ahem....they should form PACS or special interest groups and take advantage of their right to do so. Regardless......Congressman, Senators and public servant officials are voted positions. They have been voted by those who took the time to register and vote -- it's called democracy.

Seeing as who gets elected by ONE half, would you expect much different from the half that can't be bothered to register?

[SaintLucifer]

Screw Nigeria anyway. It is a pointless little nothing country.

SaintLucifer
The Dark Saint
'Better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven'