What is your opinion on Islam and Muslims?

[Abdullah]

Just curios

[PatrickHenry]

My own is that you are human beings, like all of us on this forum. We are placed on this crazy planet and need to learn to get along, while trying to improve things for everyone. What is your location, Abdullah?

[Abdullah]

Quote by: PatrickHenry What is your location, Abdullah?

I live in philly (philadelphia) in Pennsylvania in America

[rcne]

I don't know enough about Islam and Muslims. I do visit the Al Iraqi site to try to get an idea of the issues and thoughts present in Iraq, and I have talked (via the keyboard and another society) with members from Lebanon.

The world is much different there and there are many cultural differences that I don't understand. But I do see the Iraqis actively discussing their country and their future. That cultural/political activity is a good sign for Iraq.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I have the same opinion of Muslims as I do Christians, generally speaking, although I consider Islam a more radical religion. Sure some can take the peaceful side of the Koran and call themselves a Muslim, but what is a Muslim? Is it he who takes parts of the Koran, the ones he thinks are best, and follows them, or is he who takes the entire book as a truth and lives it following his own interpretation? This is why the latter option is more dangerous than any Christian person who takes an extreme approach at their Bible:

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, on him We shall bestow a rich recompense." Women 4:74

Fine, I won't define Muslims with this passage, since many may not choose to fight for a cause, or may not choose to fight for a cause using bloodshed, but others do, and that's the point I'm trying to hit; that any extreme Muslim is more probable to be more dangerous than any extreme Christian. And notice these are fairly extreme believers, who rely solely on their historical texts for guidance, and that I'll never judge anyone who says they are Muslim until they tell me how religious they truly are.

[pubmanager]

I think no differently of Muslims than I do about anybody else, just people, some good some not so good.

Terrorists IMO are to Islam what G W Bush is to Christianity: a very bad example.

[Zealot]

Quote by: Abdullah Just curios

Any religion that has to force, coerce, and threaten people to stay in the fold is not a religion, but a dictitorial, oppressive organization involved in slavery.

[Zealot]

Quote by: pubmanager I think no differently of Muslims than I do about anybody else, just people, some good some not so good. Terrorists IMO are to Islam what G W Bush is to Christianity: a very bad example.

Pubmanager trying to equate Bush to Islam is what ale is to an alcoholic, very bad inlfuence.

[Chris]

Quote by: Zealot Quote by: Abdullah Just curios Any religion that has to force, coerce, and threaten people to stay in the fold is not a religion, but a dictitorial, oppressive organization involved in slavery.

Kind of like Christianity huh?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: |Chris| Kind of like Christianity huh?

Zealot's going to go with the little "well you don't see it in the Bible, do you?" approach. I give the Koran a gold star for at least being honest when it comes to irrationality. Christians make up their own justifications for coersion with the Bible.

[pubmanager]

Quote by: Zealot Quote by: pubmanager I think no differently of Muslims than I do about anybody else, just people, some good some not so good. Terrorists IMO are to Islam what G W Bush is to Christianity: a very bad example. Pubmanager trying to equate Bush to Islam is what ale is to an alcoholic, very bad inlfuence.

Abdullah,

You will see from Zealots response to my comments that he is prone to misunderstand much of what he reads. This may explain his twisted veiw of the world.

[Zealot]

Quote by: pubmanager Abdullah, You will see from Zealots response to my comments that he is prone to misunderstand much of what he reads. This may explain his twisted veiw of the world.

You can see the Christian persecution that exists right here just like it does in Muslim Indonesia. Tell me in what Christian country they practice honor killing and rape?

[pubmanager]

Quote by: Zealot Quote by: pubmanager Abdullah, You will see from Zealots response to my comments that he is prone to misunderstand much of what he reads. This may explain his twisted veiw of the world. You can see the Christian persecution that exist right here just like it does in Muslim Indonesia. Tell me in what Christian country they practice honor killing and rape?

See what I mean

[Zealot]

Quote by: pubmanager See what I mean

See, did you see him answer the question? He knows what goes on in Muslim nations that's why he can't answer that question!

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Zealot You can see the Christian persecution that exists right here just like it does in Muslim Indonesia. Tell me in what Christian country they practice honor killing and rape?

Yeah we're persecuting you...run and hide or we'll persecute you...

Maybe if Christians wouldn't spend so much time trying to convert everyone people wouldn't hate them so much. Maybe if Christian nations would stop sending armies in at their own leisure, then particular Muslims wouldn't hate particular Christians. I want to see democracy in the Middle East and I want to see a peaceful region of Muslims. I don't want to see armies being sent in to "secure" probable threats, giving them more causes and reasons to hate us.

[Zealot]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Yeah we're persecuting you...run and hide or we'll persecute you... Maybe if Christians wouldn't spend so much time trying to convert everyone people wouldn't hate them so much. Maybe if Christian nations would stop sending armies in at their own leisure, then particular Muslims wouldn't hate particular Christians. I want to see democracy in the Middle East and I want to see a peaceful region of Muslims. I don't want to see armies being sent in to "secure" probable threats, giving them more causes and reasons to hate us.

Is our fault that they beat, rape and kill their own women in the name of Allah? What Christian nation allows that?

[Abdullah]

Quote by: Zealot Any religion that has to force, coerce, and threaten people to stay in the fold is not a religion, but a dictitorial, oppressive organization involved in slavery.

Show me how Islam fits into any of these categories.

I have the same opinion of Muslims as I do Christians, generally speaking, although I consider Islam a more radical religion. Sure some can take the peaceful side of the Koran and call themselves a Muslim, but what is a Muslim? Is it he who takes parts of the Koran, the ones he thinks are best, and follows them, or is he who takes the entire book as a truth and lives it following his own interpretation? This is why the latter option is more dangerous than any Christian person who takes an extreme approach at their Bible: "Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, on him We shall bestow a rich recompense." Women 4:74 Fine, I won't define Muslims with this passage, since many may not choose to fight for a cause, or may not choose to fight for a cause using bloodshed, but others do, and that's the point I'm trying to hit; that any extreme Muslim is more probable to be more dangerous than any extreme Christian. And notice these are fairly extreme believers, who rely solely on their historical texts for guidance, and that I'll never judge anyone who says they are Muslim until they tell me how religious they truly are.

Interesting questions, well to start of Islam is a peaceful religion, it literaly means peace, purity, submission and obedience.Even our greeting Assalamo Alakam means peace upon you.

To understand who a Muslims is you need to understand Islam. The foundation of Islam is called the six articles of Eeman or Faith:

• Belief in the Angels of Allah
• Belief in the Books of Allah
• Belief in the Prophets of Allah
• Belief in the Last Day
• Belief in the Decree of Allah

Next comes the five pillars of Islam which are known as the Acts of Worship:

*The Declaration of Faith-Bearing witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad (pbuh) is His Servant and Messenger. Called Kalimah

*Observance of Salat(Daily Prayers)

*Paying Zakat (giving to the porr and needy)

*Pilgrimage to the Ka`bah

*Fasting During Ramadan.

This is what your looking for (I think) the Code of Conduct and the Prupose of life which are based on the following sources:

-The Holy Qur`an which is the revealed word of God and contains broad principles of Guidance

-Sunnah, the example of Muhammad (pbuh) to demonstrate Qur`anic principles

-Hadith, the spoken word of Muhammad(pbuh).

This is what Islam is and this is what a Muslim are supposed to follow.

Hopefully that answered your questions

[Abdullah]

You can see the Christian persecution that exists right here just like it does in Muslim Indonesia. Tell me in what Christian country they practice honor killing and rape? Is our fault that they beat, rape and kill their own women in the name of Allah? What Christian nation allows that?

Obiously that is an extremly biased an hypocritical statement, we do none of these thing for the sake of Islam obviously you have no idea of what your talking about so plz don`t make these comments without understanding what your making a comment about. Women are treated eqaul to men in Islam:

"And they (women) have rights similar to those of men over them in a just manner" The noble Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):228

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their wives."

We do not honor killing in Islam, killing and murder is a major sin in Islam

[Zealot]

Quote by: Abdullah Show me how Islam fits into any of these categories. [list] Hopefully that answered your questions

No, sorry but it did not Adullah. My very simple questions are. In what Christian nation do they allow honor killings. In what Christian nation is the beating, raping and killing of their own women in the name of God allowed? In what Christian nation would a convert to Christianity from the Muslim faith be treated like they are treated in Muslim Indonesia?

Just in your words as a man to me, ok? Forget the religious talk, I haven't done that to you. ok?

[Abdullah]

Quote by: Zealot Quote by: Abdullah Show me how Islam fits into any of these categories. [list] Hopefully that answered your questions No, sorry but it did not Adullah. My very simple questions are. In what Christian nation do they allow honor killings. In what Christian nation is the beating, raping and killing of their own women in the name of God allowed? In what Christian nation would a convert to Christianity from the Muslim faith be treated like they are treated in Muslim Indonesia? Just in your words as a man to me, ok? Forget the religious talk, I haven't done that to you. ok?

Look below that last post

lets see what Christianity has to say about women(New Testament:

Timothy 2:11-14 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Corinthians 11:5-10: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

Old testament:

Leviticus 15:19-30 "And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even