Christmas Crisis

[Jimmy the Pro]

First we had a Merry Christmas.

Then we had Merry "X"-mas. :rolleyes:

Then we had Happy Holidays :(

And now, for the most wonderful time of the year at hand, new changes must be made to preserve equality. "Holidays" has the term "Holi" which can imply "holy" therefore, the Holy-Days. We cannot stand for this therefore:

Now we shall have: Merry Days. :eek:

Honestly, I think that all of this naming business has gotten totally out of hand. I mean the whole point of holiday in America anyway seems to have turned into one big shopping bonanza. Really stupid. Here's what holidays hold up to in American now:

Christmas: Big Buying and overspending day
Thanksgiving: Stuff your face full day
Halloween: Pay off your dentist day
St. Patricks Day: Free beer day
Easter: Some guy rose up and kill chocolate bunny day
Valentines Day: Crappy card and chocolate day
New Year's Day: A time to start all of these above days over again

Serioiusly though, thoughts on our Christmas Crisis?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Personally, I am going to places like Target that sell "holiday trees" on say, Easter, and the 4th of July and ask where their "Holiday Trees" are and when the sale is going to be.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Personally, I am going to places like Target that sell "holiday trees" on say, Easter, and the 4th of July and ask where their "Holiday Trees" are and when the sale is going to be.

Yeah, but you don't hold a grudge, right?


Particularly for some minor little infraction on your poor psyche like asking you to be a little tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

[nm420]

I think it PC rearing it's ugly head yet again. I'm a little apprehensive about having public funds being spent on something solely dedicated to Christmas, but it's getting ridiculous with businesses and whatnot fearing the "C" word. Sure, there are plenty of people who are not Christians, and perhaps some of them may be offended by the Christmas season. So what! Let them be offended; they are a minority in this crackpot world and had better learn to get used to it.

Shall we start calling menorahs "holiday candelabras"? It's the same sort of crap that makes people say "African-American" when they mean black, or "mentally unstable" when they mean nutsoid. If I was just a bit more paranoid I'd think off of this is a conspiracy to bring in the newspeak, so that our language may be stripped of anything truly meaningful and thus strip our thoughts of anything original. I'm not quite that far out yet, but the effects of this crisis are strikingly similar to such an end.

[jbarn19]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Personally, I am going to places like Target that sell "holiday trees" on say, Easter, and the 4th of July and ask where their "Holiday Trees" are and when the sale is going to be.

That is some good stuff, never heard it that way. I will say Merry Christmas to whomever and wherever I damn well please.

[Boetie]

Well meaning individual named A

A: Happy Holidays

Angry Mob: Hey you there, hey you, you didn't say Christmas

A: Huh?

Angry Mob: You didn't say Christmas

A: What are talking about?

Angry Mob: Hey, listen here buddy this is a free country and we practice free speech so we are telling you, you didn't say Christmas

[Jimmy the Pro]

Well Meaning Individual named B

B: A merry christmas to you.

Angry Mob: Hey, don't offend us! We don't have to conform to your Christian Merryment, we have to be equal!

B: I'm sorry I had good intentions.....

Angry Mob: Well you know what, we all can't be the little saints with good intentions now can we?

B: I just said Merry Christmas

Angry Mob: We have to be equal. All riohts must be protected. If you offend us, we shall cry opression until we get our way.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Yeah, but you don't hold a grudge, right? Particularly for some minor little infraction on your poor psyche like asking you to be a little tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

Uhm, Pot the kettle is black.

The Holiday celebrated by some 70-80% of Americans on 25Dec is Christmas. Why the hell should we abstain from saying "Merry Christmas"? So as not to "offend" those that don't celebrate Christmas... excuse me, where is the "tolerance" from the minority? You demand we bow to your feelings, at the expense of ours.

We don't ask that you celebrate Christmas, or even acknowledge it, we merely ask that YOU respect OUR right to celebrate this traditional holiday.

If it offends you that others have religious and culteral beliefs, and you cannot stand that said persons celebrate thier beliefs openly, perhaps you should try moving to a country that doesn't allow such instead of forcing your intolerance on us.

[Milton Bradley]

That was a blatent jab at you for your longstanding hatred of others who are unlike yourself, and nothing to do with the actual Christman comment. I was not not criticizing your right to celebrate, or express yourself.


We have had this discussion before in the I Religion Offends You thread, if you would care to refamiliarize yourself with my position.


Just an attempt to help you see that you absolutely require the external validation of others to feel comfortable. ( In other words, you are part of the " I must be on the winning team" mentality. )

[Mr.Vicchio]

I love how you try to peg me as some sort of hateful person, that amuses me. And you claim it's because I refuse to accept your views.

Amazing.

[gr8fuldaniel]

No No, you all have to say the same thing!!! You all have to think and believe in the same things!! Dont you get it?
What?
You think you are free to just say anything?
Jesus Christ!!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Dont you know the TERRORISTS win, if we all think and pray different?

[Athena]

Christmas crisis? My daughter who has three children must work Christmas Eve and Christmas morning, and her oldest daughter will probably be working. My single son has a son with one woman and a daughter with another woman, and just started dating a women with more kids, and since this new, it is taking a lot of his time. Now I guess I can count out the mother of my son's son, because she is an addict and relationships with her are shedded. Also I haven't built much of a relationship with her daughter, who is now living with her other grandparents, so I can relax and be thankful the other grandparents will take care of Christmas for this child I hardly know, and my son's son. Follow so far?

That leaves my son's daughter and the mother of that child and her other 2 children. Relationships here are difficult. I have bonded with my son's daughter, but not the other 2 children, and this mother and I get along well, but she has said nothing about Christmas and I don't know what her expectations are. I have gifts for my granddaughter, but not the other children or the mother, and I feel like I should do something but I don't know what, and don't have a large budget for gifts.

Back to my daughter's family, so far we have agreed to get together around noon on the Saturday of Christmas and share food and gifts. This will include my son and his son, my daughter and hopefully all 3 of her children. My son's son will be visiting with his other grandmother the next day. This leaves my daughter's children alone on Christmas day, while Mom works and this is not acceptable to me, so I call their other grandmother, and it is agreed we will meet at her place around 2 pm on the Sunday of Christmas, and hopefully my daughter can join us when she gets off work.

I think that pretty well covers everyone, but Guy, the fellow with ALS whose mother and father are dead. I should be able to fit him in Sunday morning and do a nice breakfast and gift exchange with him.

Now my lady friend with the foster home- at least one of her people is expecting a gift from me, and they all would like me to recognized the holiday with them, but they will have to be pushed back until New Years Day. Maybe a nice New Years Day breakfast will take care of this group of people.

What does this time year of mean? It is a time of year when memories are made, and either those are painful memories or they are happy ones. It can be a lot of effort to make the best out of difficult times, but meeting that challenge is worth the effort. It is kind of like any other human challenge, in that it is challenging, but it is more important than other challenges because this one is about human relationships. When we die, all that will be left of us is memories, and hopefully those memories will help those who follow us to meet the challenges in their lives.

Thank goodness this time of year comes only once a year, because I don't think I have the energy to live like this on a regular bases.

One last thought, everyone will get plum pudding this year because that is traditional, and I finally found a good recipe for this old tradition. I don't have much to give, and it is nice to know, in days of old, traditional foods made the season, not the credit card and material things. The spirit is in caring enough to share traditions. I haven't always been up to meeting the challenge, like the year we had turkey hot dogs for our Christmas dinner is not a good memory. I am very thankful I have more to work with this year, and the will to do my best.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I love how you try to peg me as some sort of hateful person, that amuses me. And you claim it's because I refuse to accept your views. Amazing.

No, I paint you that way because you provide all the ammunition I load into my impuner ray. Hell, I quoted you in the original post. That was, if you remember correctly, where you were formulating your line for stirring up trouble at a future date, with people who will be totally unprepared to deal with your sardonic wit. (or evil inclinations, I'm not sure which)


I suppose it was all in the name of love though, so I really should apologize.


Sorry, I had you pegged all wrong.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Yeah, but you don't hold a grudge, right? Particularly for some minor little infraction on your poor psyche like asking you to be a little tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

Tolerant? Oh, that's a good one. Christians are being told that what they believe is inappropriate to be expressed in public, like some shameful crime or addiction, and you're asking them to be TOLERANT?!? :eek: What you really mean is lie down and take it: just shut up, behave, and act like your dirty little beliefs don't really exist. That's rich.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: nm420 I think it PC rearing it's ugly head yet again. I'm a little apprehensive about having public funds being spent on something solely dedicated to Christmas, but it's getting ridiculous with businesses and whatnot fearing the "C" word. Sure, there are plenty of people who are not Christians, and perhaps some of them may be offended by the Christmas season. So what! Let them be offended; they are a minority in this crackpot world and had better learn to get used to it. Shall we start calling menorahs "holiday candelabras"? It's the same sort of crap that makes people say "African-American" when they mean black, or "mentally unstable" when they mean nutsoid. If I was just a bit more paranoid I'd think off of this is a conspiracy to bring in the newspeak, so that our language may be stripped of anything truly meaningful and thus strip our thoughts of anything original. I'm not quite that far out yet, but the effects of this crisis are strikingly similar to such an end.

Actually, you're pretty close I'd say. They want our language to be stripped of anything that even breathes Christianity. It does smell like a conspiracy. People are being manipulated, and as I said before, if I were them, I'd be furious. I find it ironic that this coincides with the efforts to educate people about minority belief systems and customs. It seems to say "anything but Christianity".

[Athena]

Quote by: Boetie Well meaning individual named A A: Happy Holidays Angry Mob: Hey you there, hey you, you didn't say Christmas A: Huh? Angry Mob: You didn't say Christmas A: What are talking about? Angry Mob: Hey, listen here buddy this is a free country and we practice free speech so we are telling you, you didn't say Christmas

Interesting way of thinking of the season. I am almost overwhelmed with people to make happy and don't have the inclination to think about the political aspects. Except that it is a pagan celestial celebration and I like that to be recognized. I think it is friendlier to acknowledge we all have something at stake here, and the holiday doesn't belong to just one group. Can we leave this season to family and friends and whatever traditions they enjoy. Can't we be joyful together for whatever reasons we have for gathering with friends and family? Is conflict really unvoidable? How about thinking more of the people around us and what we will do to make this a good memory for them, and less about unpleasant things we can ignore?

[Taylor22]

I think that we should all be able to express our relgions the way we feel is right and with no one to make us hide it. In America our purpose was for people to be able to express thier beliefs openly. Though this one particular fight is based on Christianity it should be the same with any belief. We can't force any one to say Merry Christmas but that's the purpose of Christmas and that's why there is even a holiday on Dec. 25.

[Strange Alchemy]

Has anyone seen the Virgin Mobile Commercial ?

It's not like people aren't noticing.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: phoenix Christians are being told that what they believe is inappropriate to be expressed in public.....

Who is telling them they CANT say Merry Christmas? I thought this was about the "Christians" being against "Holidays"