Is Bush really all that Holy?

[Anarchist Patriot]

So often I hear what a great man we have as President. I work with this religious dude who is always quoting the Bible. He waves that thing around and says that if its not in here than it isnt true. Well I believe in God but I think the Bible is written by man and is an attempt to discover the true nature of God. Some things like the earth and heavens being created in 7 days I do not believe to be true. Of course time is relative. If you don't have an earth to spin around than how can you call it a day.. well you get my drift.

This dude is then telling me about what a great man Dubya is and how he is going to bring America back to God. But that Satan is out there deceiving us all.

My answer is that this stuff Dubya is pushing is really false piety. Like this crap about forcing the pledge of allegence down people's throats and all. Or the so called "Defense of Marriage Act". Like we need more constitutional ammendments. Bush wants to change the whole damm constitution.

If I was to change anything in the constitution myself I would try to get rid of the 2nd ammendment but thats just me.

Anyway, what all Bush's devoted zealots are trying to do is make the US a theocracy. But I will ask you this brothers...

What are Bush's true convictions? Remember this is the same George W who took an oath on a Bible stacked on human bones at Bohemian Grove, in defiance of the Bible's ban on swearing profane oaths. Then as Governer of Texas he allowed more executions in his state than any of the governers of any other state combined. He even joked about it. Many of the victims were believed by many to be innocent but that didn't phase George. Better to kill em all and let God sort it out.

Well Governership of Texas just set the stage for the bigger job of US President. Now he can pretend to be so rightous and Holy. He can shaft the poor, and let the rich keep all their goodies, while making others think he is working for God.

Well, lets stop and analyse this. God chose the poor, right? Read the Bible and see. And Bush is screwing the poor. He is fighting a dirty war of personal vengence on Saddam Hussein and the people of Iraq. So much for turning the other cheek.

But at least we can have prayer back in our schools... as if it never wasn't there.

[Haik]

Yes get rid of the 2nd amendment and put your safety in the hands of the police force....who are in no way legally obligated to protect/help you if you're in need.

[Impenitent]

yes, disarm yourself so the glorious revolution can be had with sticks and stones...

[harumscarum]

It’s all to portray a certain image and get votes.

[m3talsmith]

2nd amendment is off topic although I agree with the previous two posters.

As far as the rest goes, I agree that Bush is two faced. His actions and sometimes even his words go against what he is trying to tout.

I don't see that Bush is portraying himself as a "Holy" man. Nor do I see him trying to start a theocracy. Personally, I wish the Religious Right would shut up. I also wish the Loony Left would shut up. If these zealots, from both sides, want to life in their form of Eutopea, religious or communist, go ahead, move somewhere else and leave the rest of us alone. Europe is largely socialistic and the Sweedish women are HOT, need a plane ticket?
As for the second amendmend, I would suggest you pick up a few history books and read about how the strong, and ARMED, have brutilized the weak and defenseless over the ages. Your living in a dream world if you think disarming law abiding citizens will lead to a safer society.
Back to Bush. He is definitely the lesser of two evils. The US would be in much worse shape if Gore were in office after 9-11. He may well have prosecuted the action in Afghanistan, but might not have moved any further. Islamic terrorism is a global problem. Since you don't care for domestic religious zealotry, why are you averse to fighting International religious zealotry that seeks to impose it's will on YOU.
Kerry has no clue how to fight terrorism. He's not a War hero, he went to Viet Nam, got three scratches in 4 months and ran home, big deal. I also don't see Bush as a war hero but he is much better equiped to prosecute the current conflict we are now engaged.
To anarchist patriot, I've noticed from some other of your post that you have a solid ideology that does not always jive with the facts. You should probably do a little more studying of reality and less thinking about you personal Eutopea.

[taxes_are_stealing]

Religion has no place in government.

[BendOverDemocrats]

How is it you can post politics in religion?

[Mozart1220]

While I support the people's right to bear arms, anyone who thinks that they can protect themselves against the federal government with a few guns or even a "militia" is delusional. In Iraq even children carry guns. We marched over them pretty quick didn't we?

funny how the same people who most strongly defend thier "right to bear" are so against a woman's "right not to bear" if you know what I mean.

It's OK to defend a peice of cloth, or the right to keep deadly weapons, but we are againstthe right of two people who love each other having the ability to do so because they don't live the way we think they should.

We defend some funny things in this country.

[dotcoma]

Bush is not a Christian.

[Impenitent]

no one who hasn't been crucified and come back from the dead is a christian...

[dotcoma]

Wow, that's like, SOOO existential...cuz, like God, is like dead...you know?

[Impenitent]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Wow, that's like, SOOO existential...cuz, like God, is like dead...you know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

very mature

[Alex S.]

Jesus was a victim of capital punishment.

[a little more off-topic]

[kellbing]

One of the things that irks me about Bush is his wanting to give MY tax money to "faith-based" organizations. I firmly believe in separation of church and state. People can believe whatever they want, but I don't want my money going to religious organizations. It's bad enough that they get out of paying taxes, they shouldn't get the money from the taxes I am forced to pay.

As for the 2nd amendment, I can sum up my feelings by quoting a bumper sticker a former neighbor of mine had when I was a kid: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". It's not about being able to defend yourself against a huge military force. It's about being able to defend yourself against the scum who will break into your house to rob and kill you.

Kellbing. Bush's faith based initiative is not about giving money to religious rganizations per se. It's about giving money to organizations that help support the poor. Ala soup kitchens, shelters etc. The idea here is that through such organizations, religious or non-religious, sent a much larger percentage of dollars to the actual people needing them. The percentage of dollars actually finding its way to those in need is rather small.

[kellbing]

If it is to give money to the poor, then that is what he should call it. He specifically states he wants to give money to "faith-based organizations". I have no problem with giving money to help those in need. If I could afford it, I would start my own non-religious organization to help the poor. I do have a problem, however, with my tax money going to organizations that will try to convert people to their beliefs. I don't want my money going to support religion.

That's a good point. I don't want my money going to a church so they can try to convert people either. Supposedly these groups are not preaching to the poor. I would like there to be some oversight to ensure this is true. I know listening to preachers is like listening to fingernails accross a chalk board to me and I wouldn't want to support this type of activity, especially to the poor people who have little choice in where they get their next meal. Oh the other hand, these organizations are very good at ensuring the maximum amout of each dollare is recieved by those who need it, and I'm all for that. Government programs are the least efficient and the govt. should not be in the business of feeding people anyway.

[Mia]

Why does every Christian want to claim that everyone who doesn't believe exactly like them isn't a Christian? I don't think Bush behaves very "Christian" either, but then NONE of us do. That was the whole point of Christ dying for us. We as humans are incapable of being perfect, we all sin.

[Mia]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (kellbing,)
If it is to give money to the poor, then that is what he should call it. He specifically states he wants to give money to "faith-based organizations". I have no problem with giving money to help those in need. If I could afford it, I would start my own non-religious organization to help the poor. I do have a problem, however, with my tax money going to organizations that will try to convert people to their beliefs. I don't want my money going to support religion.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


I don't normally defend Bush, but the point of what he said is that right now the federal government can give money to any kind of charity EXCEPT faith-based. He's removing the bias and putting them on equal footing, not an elevated one.