For those of you who don't go to church

[deedee]

I don't go to church......this was e-mailed to me today and it is so wonderful that I wanted to share with all of y'all. I suppose it is my sermon which did a lot of good to my heart and soul today and caused me to reflect.

Here ya go to see -- click here.

Peace......have a good day all.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: deedee I don't go to church......this was e-mailed to me today and it is so wonderful that I wanted to share with all of y'all. I suppose it is my sermon which did a lot of good to my heart and soul today and caused me to reflect. Here ya go to see -- click here. Peace......have a good day all.

Christians who don't go to church are like scientists who don't even do research. They aren't Christians and they aren't scientists.

[deedee]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Christians who don't go to church are like scientists who don't even do research. They aren't Christians and they aren't scientists.

Prove that Christians who don't go to church are not Christians. Find me a verse in the Christian guideline book, a/k/a Holy Bible.

[Athena]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Christians who don't go to church are like scientists who don't even do research. They aren't Christians and they aren't scientists.

Nonesense. Where in the bible does it say a Christian must attend church?

Also a retired scientist still has all the knowledge of his/her education and years of work, so how can such a knowledgeable person no longer be a scientist? Is it really what we do that makes us who we are, or how we fill our hearts, minds and lives?

I am not a Christian, and I think it is really dumb for Christians to say each other are not Christians. That is just one more big turn off for those of us who choose not be Christian.
What gives you the right to judge who is and who is not Christian. It isn't God or Jesus who gives you that right. You should practice the humility of a Christian or Muslim if you want to impress others with your pioty.

[Athena]

Quote by: deedee I don't go to church......this was e-mailed to me today and it is so wonderful that I wanted to share with all of y'all. I suppose it is my sermon which did a lot of good to my heart and soul today and caused me to reflect. Here ya go to see -- click here. Peace......have a good day all.

I was hoping for something more universal for those who don't attend church. I am opposed to labels and religions that divide us.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: deedee Prove that Christians who don't go to church are not Christians. Find me a verse in the Christian guideline book, a/k/a Holy Bible.

And I can't prove that a scientist isn't a scientist if he doesn't do research; it's simply a social status to be a Christian. A Christian is name, a social distinction from the rest of the religions. We use it to become president, because there haven't been any atheist/minority-religious presidents; we use it to move up the corporate ladder, since there have been so few atheists/minority-religious executives of a nationally prestigious company. For example: you can follow all the Christian laws and dogma and follow a life of Jesus and still claim to be a Buddhist. I would never go to the Bible for proof of anything.

The real question here is, why don't you go to church?

[bishop]

you don't need to go to church to be a christian.. sorry..


(this weak movie reminded me of the southpark episode where cartman had his christian rock band.)

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Athena Nonesense. Where in the bible does it say a Christian must attend church? Also a retired scientist still has all the knowledge of his/her education and years of work, so how can such a knowledgeable person no longer be a scientist? Is it really what we do that makes us who we are, or how we fill our hearts, minds and lives? I am not a Christian, and I think it is really dumb for Christians to say each other are not Christians. That is just one more big turn off for those of us who choose not be Christian. What gives you the right to judge who is and who is not Christian. It isn't God or Jesus who gives you that right. You should practice the humility of a Christian or Muslim if you want to impress others with your pioty.

You would not be a scientist, you would be a scientifically knowledgeable person. Scientists investigate through inductive research and experimentation, not through opinion and unevidenced theory. I am saying a Christian who doesn't go to church has indirectly stated his or her priorities--that religion doesn't matter as much as other things in life, and therefore, church is of no importance. Now that calls for a Christian hearing, that the label of Christian be challenged since "God" and his human-built home be lowered to other priorities in life. It's social inference and therefore one's actions that determines his or her levels of significance, be it religion, work, family, money, etc.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: bishop you don't need to go to church to be a christian.. sorry.. (this weak movie reminded me of the southpark episode where cartman had his christian rock band.)

When I said "they aren't christians," that was my follow-up opinion, based on action from Deedee; I made inference from evidence, inference that she is hardly Christian, from evidence that she doesn't "have time" for church. Of course, maybe it's time that isn't the issue, and I won't assume what the issue is, so I'll wait for her to respond.

This goes to strike my theory that half of every Christian uses the label to acheive social status, be it corporate, political, or community.

[Rave7pt0]

I don't go to church because I don't believe I can find a supportive peer group in such a venue.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Rave7pt0 I don't go to church because I don't believe I can find a supportive peer group in such a venue.

Suppsedly church is a tribute to God, not yourself. That's what I was told by many priests.

[Walmas]

Originally in religion there was only spontanious prayer. It wasnt orginized other that a scripture. When someone felt happy or like they needed help they would pray. So religion doesnt require attendance to a service

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Walmas Originally in religion there was only spontanious prayer. It wasnt orginized other that a scripture. When someone felt happy or like they needed help they would pray. So religion doesnt require attendance to a service

I agree, but it indirectly shows one's priorities.

[bishop]

how so?

what makes going to church better than private worship/meditation?

[Jack]

I think all christians should go to church, particularly between 10AM and 2 PM.
Maybe then I could get some shopping done on Sunday.

[Rave7pt0]

I lend tribute to God through my actions -- and my actions do not include going through the motions of attending a service that doesn't speak to me. My time is better spent helping people and improving myself so that I can help more people.

[Athena]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 You would not be a scientist, you would be a scientifically knowledgeable person. Scientists investigate through inductive research and experimentation, not through opinion and unevidenced theory. I am saying a Christian who doesn't go to church has indirectly stated his or her priorities--that religion doesn't matter as much as other things in life, and therefore, church is of no importance. Now that calls for a Christian hearing, that the label of Christian be challenged since "God" and his human-built home be lowered to other priorities in life. It's social inference and therefore one's actions that determines his or her levels of significance, be it religion, work, family, money, etc.

Okay, as is a Jew who no longer goes to the synagog no longer a Jew? Is a Muslim in a foriegn country without a holy meeting place for Muslims, no longer a Muslim? And a Buddhist with a Buddhist temple is no longer a Buddhist? What makes us what we are is our association with others, in special places and doing the rituals, not what we believe and what we think our association with God is?

PS if you are not circumcised you do not have a covnant with God.

[Walmas]

THe world would be a much better place if instead of going to a religous place people did community service.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: bishop how so? what makes going to church better than private worship/meditation?

It *was* the important meeting between you and your God, that's why we have the weekends, so people could go to church. I see now that believers are more ignorant of their own religion than those who don't even believe in it. Actually, I don't think it's better at all, and if people want to be spiritual, they should in fact do it by themself. I just don't like seeing people spraying theistic comments everywhere, then ignoring the fact that church was seen as a religious obligation for every single Christian for hundreds of years. It's a sign of religious conformity to new culture, I suppose, but I wish the theists would at least admit so.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Athena Okay, as is a Jew who no longer goes to the synagog no longer a Jew? Is a Muslim in a foriegn country without a holy meeting place for Muslims, no longer a Muslim? And a Buddhist with a Buddhist temple is no longer a Buddhist? What makes us what we are is our association with others, in special places and doing the rituals, not what we believe and what we think our association with God is? PS if you are not circumcised you do not have a covnant with God.

Actions speak louder than words, Athena. I really don't care what people believe, I only care about what they wish to do with those beliefs, how they wish to incorporate them into the rest of society. I'm trying to get people to understand that there was a time when going to church was a must, and if you didn't you weren't considered holy. That happened for hundreds of years, since the Roman Catholic Church, to just 50 years ago. I think we can all agree on that, that church was a necessity, hence our weekends. And now, people just want to pray on their own, which is what I encourage--personal spirituality. I want people to notice WHY this has occured, what has caused this certain conformity--that culture really is changing, and that cultural and social occurences have caused people to change their priorities around, since making an appearance to a group of believer is no longer considered an importance.