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Old Oct 26, 2005, 01:55 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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What is the worst sin?

Dragon Slayers have a slightly different lens through which we view the world (black and white, good and evil, etc.) so we probably come up with a different answer than most people when we are asked, "what is the worst sin?"

Now, I understand that a sound theological argument would prove that blasphemy was the worst sin, and probably murder next. And hence, before beginning this letter, let me bow in reverence to the unchallenged hierarchy of evils.

My question goes to the gut. When you - as a Dragon Slayer, fully clad, with sword drawn - are on a field at battle, what is the worst sin? What causes you to feel unalterable contempt, violent disgust?

You might be tempted to say, "Treachery!" or "Betrayal!" While I agree these are close to unpardonable sins, I will show that they are mere shoots of the great root!!!

This sin ranks alone as the most vile and villainous. _____________ is the one who forsakes the cause of right to win approval of the disapproving wrong. ____________ bids one to live as a slave rather than to fight and die as a free man. __________reasons, _________ calculates; _________not only counts the cost before doing battle, but deems the cost of freedom and justice too high,. ________submits to tyrants. ___________ is the forsaker of women and children.

I guess one thing is clear: I hate _____________.

____________equips a man for flight from battle. But worse than that: it gives him the arguments why his flight is not actually ________ but wisdom. _________ reasons with him. It gives him Bible verses. And worse yet, it urges him (in order to vindicate itself) to convince others that flight is not only prudent, but right. It is right to surrender. It is wrong to resist dragons.

At other times ___________ doesn't call for full retreat, but rather a treaty with the dragons. "If we can just have a place at the table..." It takes on the the noble air of "mutual disarmament" and "peace talks," being willfully forgetful of the nature of the dragons. Everyone knows that dragons cannot disarm,; they not only breathe fire , they contain fire. They cannot extinguish the fire and villainy that burns within them. They cannot change what they are. They devour young virgins. They terrify villages. A leopard cannot change its spots, A dragon cannot change his scales. When we attempt to treat with dragons, we foolishly deny the reality of who they are, and what they will do.

I will tell you more tomorrow about this terrible sin......................Zealot
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 05:41 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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there is no worst sin, in the churches veiw, all sins are just as bad as each other, and was it not the church who came up with sins?
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 07:51 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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What is the worst sin?

The worst sin would vary with situation!! For example a loin has rushed towards the village from forest. You are a soldier and you are shooting it dead, then you did a worst crime. There can be endless examples!!

Now, the root cause of all sins, as said by great Indian Soofi Saint, Kabir, is Pride or Ego! As long as these remain, sin would remain
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 12:28 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Matthew 12
31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

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Old Oct 26, 2005, 01:19 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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there is no worst sin, in the churches veiw, all sins are just as bad as each other, and was it not the church who came up with sins?
No it was not the church that came up sin. Even before Hebrews, Sumerians had a concept of sin. The big difference between pre Christian sin and Christian sin, is the unfortunate story of Adam and Eve, which was also a Sumerian story, but changed in the Hebrew translation. Orginally sin was the just the result of not knowing something would get bad results, and the solution was knowledge. The story of Adam and Eve got twisted.
The worst twist was this idea that the knowledge of good and evil came in a forbidden fruit, and taking this to mean literally, a fruit that could be held in the hand and eaten, and somehow this magically changed the qualities of being human.

This is so sad. The Garden of Eden was a place of the Gods. It wasn't a garden for humans, but in the translation of the story, this place of the Gods, became a place for a man and woman who were somehow different from humans today, until they ate a forbidden fruit. It is incredible what this translation of a Sumerian story, changed so a story of many Gods and creation of humans, became a story of one God and how humans were created, has impacted the history of humanity!!!! Amazing!
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 01:29 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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What is the worst sin?

The worst sin would vary with situation!! For example a loin has rushed towards the village from forest.
If a loin rushed me i´d probabley roast it, with two veg and gravy
now if a lion rushed me, hold the veg

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Old Oct 26, 2005, 01:42 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Women fight dragons too.

Fire is not always bad...if you're fireproof!

All sin separates us from God. You should know that. Every sin is capable of destroying the soul of man. I think that the first sin was probably pride: "ye shall be as gods", and most other sins reflect that. In our lives in a multitude of ways, we try to put our own desires above God as if what we want is more important. In its extreme, man forsakes God and worships himself, as one may easily see in many aspects of american culture. But it also causes those who should know better to fall away in futility for lack of surrendered reliance. I'm not saying per se that it is the worst: lethal injection, a nuclear bomb, and a bullet to the head will all kill you in a reasonably expedent manner; I'm just saying it's prevalent.



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Old Oct 26, 2005, 08:28 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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The seven deadly sins are: Pride, covertness, lust, anger, gluttony, envy and sloth.

Murder is not even mentioned.


“A society of sheep will eventually get a government of wolves”… Bernard de Jouvenal
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 08:38 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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In my mind, the worst "sin" is the harming of that which is weaker than and/or dependant on you. A child abuser. An elder abuser. An animal abuser. Someone who uses a position of power or influence to harm those whom they should protect. Nothing worse in my opinion.


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Old Oct 26, 2005, 10:29 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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The seven deadly sins are: Pride, covertness, lust, anger, gluttony, envy and sloth.

Murder is not even mentioned.

First of all, the "seven deadly sins" are interpolated from scripture; they're not "commandments." Secondly, murder certainly falls under one of the other sins, depending upon the reason, but probably generally anger(actually "wrath").
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Old Oct 26, 2005, 11:01 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah, and it's "covetousness", not "covertness". Besides, that's a Catholic thing. I have issues with Catholics.



Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 12:44 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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If a loin rushed me i´d probabley roast it, with two veg and gravy
now if a lion rushed me, hold the veg
It is a nice joke! I am sorry I have missed a big "NOT" in my sentence due to over look and hurry. I shall repeat my sentence as:

"For example a loin has rushed towards the village from forest. Supposing, you are a soldier and if you are NOT shooting it dead, then you are committing a worst crime. So because it create hawak in general public. You, as soldier has duty to save the people from in coming danger from the loin"

Few other causes of SIN in addition to Pride and Ego to my mind are Greed, selfishness, lust for physical entertainment etc. In nut shell, in one word it can be put as inhuman behaviour of humen.

Sorry for missing NOT in the first post which, has reversed the meaning!!
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 12:47 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Kuldeep, they were joking that you spelled "lion" wrong. The way you spelled it, it means other things in English. I'm guessing your primary language is... what, Hindi? I'm asking seriously, not mocking.
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 05:28 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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You are right! English is my not second but third laguage. Mother tongue is Kashmiri. But then, I know spelling of Lion as Lion. Somehow, I did not notice even second time. It has missed my sight once for all. I took for granted I spelled it right while; stuck to purposeful mistake which was making sin something else due to omission of NOT.

Any how thanks for pointing out. :)
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 06:29 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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What is the worst sin?
Not repenting, or asking forgiveness?
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 10:05 am   #16 (permalink) (top)
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What is the worst sin?

Oooh, do we get a prize for answering it "correctly"? :rolleyes:


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 10:29 am   #17 (permalink) (top)
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To know the "worst" sin, we must first look at what sin is:

"a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God"

This means that sin itself is the separation of man from God. The ultimate way people separate themselves from God is by not loving. Think about it. If you love something, you'd take care of it, right? You wouldn't wish harm upon it, nor would you do anything hateful to it.

1 Corinthians, chapter 13:4-7
4: Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;
5: it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
6: it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
7: Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

If one would choose to love, they would not see sin as an option.


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Old Oct 27, 2005, 11:53 am   #18 (permalink) (top)
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Jester, you are a bit too simplistic. Love of money, for instance, is something that could easily be sin. Loving some to the detriment of others is sin (viz racism). Loving oneself overmuch is one of the fastest routes to sin. Loving food too much is gluttony. Loving peace (personal, not interpersonal...before I have to hear about being a warmonger) too much can lead to complacency. Loves can most easily lead to sin.

It is not enough merely to love. Love is important, though. It is vital to love that which is good. (Note I don't mean good people because no one is good save God alone...loving others is vital, but is a function of mercy). At any rate, sin is far more complex than "all you need is love". Anyone could have figured that out. It would not have necessitated a Savior.



Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 11:57 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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I don't know what the worst sin is, but the Devil's favorite sin is "vanity" (see "Devils's Advocate")
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 12:03 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Based on what some christians have posted here, I have to think that in their opinion the greatest sin is questioning the existence of god. Those of us who deny his existence are labeled "haters". It seems that god does not encourage asking questions.


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