Why Do Some People Seem to Hate God?

[RickSp]

Quote by: SNPete Now, now. It is bad form to call someone rigid, when that same person is trying to broaden their understanding of other points of view.

You seem more ready to take offense than to discuss the ideas raised. That says something as well.

[Son of Belial]

Quote by: SNPete The Christian God is the God that created all that there is, so what other God is there? There are other gods, but they are limited in scope and location.

Opinion stated as fact.

[SNPete]

Quote by: RickSp You seem more ready to take offense than to discuss the ideas raised. That says something as well.

It appeared to me that you were putting me in a box of being narrow minded. Would not you be offended at being unfairly labeled?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete I have a question. If it is only the Christian God you hate, then which God do you like? The Christian God is the God that created all that there is, so what other God is there? There are other gods, but they are limited in scope and location.

For one, I never said the Christian God was the only God I hate, he was among all the Gods I hate. And its not the entity of the God, it's the concept. I hate the concept and I'm sick of people believing in Gods. It detracts thought from humanity to a suspected higher power.

Oh, is that it? Well, snap, the Christian God created everything?

Here I thought it was Gaea, or Ra, or Coatlique, or Gucumatz, or Pangu.

Well thanks Pete, I see the light now, your one-sided opinion completely turned around this debate.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete Knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Lets see what people say. I am sure I will disagree with some of the stuff said, but so what! I enjoy different points of view.

I'm sure that last statement isn't entirely true. I know I enjoy different points of view, but I am atheist. I can find what's true knowledge in one religion and still find all the pointless bullcrap too. You are bounded to one thought process, one way, for all of time. Leaving that line of thought takes you out of your religion all together. It's all or nothing.

[SNPete]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 For one, I never said the Christian God was the only God I hate, he was among all the Gods I hate. And its not the entity of the God, it's the concept. I hate the concept and I'm sick of people believing in Gods. It detracts thought from humanity to a suspected higher power.

So you are not tolerant of people who hold a different world view. How sad.

I believe all people have the right to believe as they so chose. I also believe that in a forum setting we ALL have the right to our views and have the freedom to express them.

Perhaps you should adopt a similar attitude.

[SNPete]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 I'm sure that last statement isn't entirely true. I know I enjoy different points of view, but I am atheist. I can find what's true knowledge in one religion and still find all the pointless bullcrap too. You are bounded to one thought process, one way, for all of time. Leaving that line of thought takes you out of your religion all together. It's all or nothing.

I am sorry, but I don't play or believe by your rules. All or nothing? Don't be silly.

Please re read the OP. I wish to be educated. I want to understand the mind of th eperson who hates God. So far I have learned something of that mindset.

[RickSp]

Quote by: SNPete The Christian God is the God that created all that there is, so what other God is there? There are other gods, but they are limited in scope and location.

You aren't joking, right? I seriously doubt that you are unaware of the other Semitic Gods whose followers make exactly the same claims. Everyone's God or even pantheon of Gods are always the only "true" Gods. That is Religion 101.

There is the old story of the German guard and the American POW. The guard was trying to communicate, despite a barrier in language, why Germany would win the war. He pointed to his belt buckle and read the inscription - "Gott Mitt Uns". The American replied. "Big Deal, Mac. We got mittens too."

Whenever I read anyone who asks "so what other God is there?" I feel like saying "hey Mac, we got mittens too."

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete So you are not tolerant of people who hold a different world view. How sad. I believe all people have the right to believe as they so chose. I also believe that in a forum setting we ALL have the right to our views and have the freedom to express them. Perhaps you should adopt a similar attitude.

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. It's very simple. All they need to do is believe them. I obviously have no control over that.

I can however, show everyone else how wrong they are. Perhaps you should keep telling me what you believe, I will tell you how wrong it is, and you can move on. Or maybe one day, you'll step out of your bias suit, look at what is 100% reasonable and as unbiased as can be found, and start living a life of question and curiosity in order to answer the questions of life you so dearly desire to find out.

[RickSp]

Quote by: SNPete It appeared to me that you were putting me in a box of being narrow minded. Would not you be offended at being unfairly labeled?

Again, you address formalities without coming near the ideas presented. I suppose it is inconceivable to you that the question you are asking does indeed reflect a certain narrow mindedness?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete I am sorry, but I don't play or believe by your rules. All or nothing? Don't be silly. Please re read the OP. I wish to be educated. I want to understand the mind of th eperson who hates God. So far I have learned something of that mindset.

Instead of make fun, I'll go through with this slowly, like every other theist I've told. It's rather simple, yet your emotions may reject it.

For starters, every religion has a set of guidelines/rules/regulations or w/e you want to call them to be followed so a member can be part of that religion. I understand that there are tons of sects within religions, yet even all of these different sects have their own guidelines. They each believe in order to be truly part of that religion and acceptable to their God, you need to follow them. What happens if you believe something different than your sect, but everything else. To you it only seems right, yet to the rest its wrong. By straying away from your religion in this sense of regulation disobidience, how can you affiliate yourself with that belief system still? You might as well make your own sect like every other person who believed differently.

Now to the main point. It is only necessary to understand that we believe simply what WE want, not what other individuals want us to want. Those who do, live lies to themselves. So truly, and inevitably, to some extent we believe whatever we want, hence all the small sects within sects of religion. This goes to show that the concept of God lies within the mind, a creation of intellectual desire. We produce the image of God that we wish to produce. Making our Gods into reality strike other close linked believers as enticing, most especially to those without an organized mental belief pattern.

So, go ahead, be like the rest of theists and follow your own rules. Have fun, just make sure not to become a congressman or political man with those individually inspired beliefs of yours.

I'll stick with the belief in humanity.

[SNPete]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 I can however, show everyone else how wrong they are. .

A little full of ourselves, aren't we??

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Or maybe one day, you'll step out of your bias suit, look at what is 100% reasonable and as unbiased as can be found, and start living a life of question and curiosity in order to answer the questions of life you so dearly desire to find out.

Odd you should say that. I did just that very thing 20 years ago and here I am a Christian!

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete A little full of ourselves, aren't we?? Odd you should say that. I did just that very thing 20 years ago and here I am a Christian!

Yeah you're emotions got the best of you. I'm sorry.

You do realize that every other religion is evidently just as valid as Christianity, right?

I wouldn't call that reasonable.

[Son of Belial]

Quote by: RickSp Everyone's God or even pantheon of Gods are always the only "true" Gods. That is Religion 101.

For the record, this is not really true. Herodotus, when he travelled to Egypt, called the Egyptian gods by Greek names, and even claimed that some of the Greek gods were "stolen" from Egypt. Although he did claim they were the same gods with different names, by no means did he call any of them "false."

Egypt, also, adopted gods of other pantheons, and other nations adopted theirs as well. As someone who was a student of Egyptology, I can say I know of no records where outside gods were called "false," except in such cases where belief in such a god "caused trouble." We might argue this in the case of the Aten, though the Aten was a god before Akhenaten elevated it to the status of "One True God." Indeed, even Akhenaten used images of some other gods during this time.

Anyway, as a Kemetic, I just wanted to make it clear that my religion does not hold its pantheon above all others.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Son of Belial For the record, this is not really true. Herodotus, when he travelled to Egypt, called the Egyptian gods by Greek names, and even claimed that some of the Greek gods were "stolen" from Egypt. Although he did claim they were the same gods with different names, by no means did he call any of them "false."

Fair enough, but you do point out that there was fairly widespread god "sharing". The gods can hardly be false because they are so often the same gods in different forms.

In more ecumenical moments even the followers of the Semitic religions will admit to a certain commonality of God. Regrettably however, they have been typically more interested in killing each other in their God's name than in celebrating a common celestial father.

[SNPete]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Instead of make fun, I'll go through with this slowly, like every other theist I've told. It's rather simple, yet your emotions may reject it. For starters, every religion has a set of guidelines/rules/regulations or w/e you want to call them to be followed so a member can be part of that religion. I understand that there are tons of sects within religions, yet even all of these different sects have their own guidelines. They each believe in order to be truly part of that religion and acceptable to their God, you need to follow them. What happens if you believe something different than your sect, but everything else. To you it only seems right, yet to the rest its wrong. By straying away from your religion in this sense of regulation disobidience, how can you affiliate yourself with that belief system still? You might as well make your own sect like every other person who believed differently. Now to the main point. It is only necessary to understand that we believe simply what WE want, not what other individuals want us to want. Those who do, live lies to themselves. So truly, and inevitably, to some extent we believe whatever we want, hence all the small sects within sects of religion. This goes to show that the concept of God lies within the mind, a creation of intellectual desire. We produce the image of God that we wish to produce. Making our Gods into reality strike other close linked believers as enticing, most especially to those without an organized mental belief pattern. So, go ahead, be like the rest of theists and follow your own rules. Have fun, just make sure not to become a congressman or political man with those individually inspired beliefs of yours. I'll stick with the belief in humanity.

Thanks. This is what I was looking for. Good post, even if I disagree.

The "Sects" of Christianity, as you wish to refer to, Agree on 95% percent of doctrine. We differ on minor issues. Most of us don't care. Agree to disagree on nonessential points. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Dispite what you say. An outsiderer looking in.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: CheckMate Without god you have nothing you just become a jester. round the playing fields of heaven

SNPete, you should debate more like Checkmate.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: CheckMate It can only get better.

Well, before we get too off topic I hope you caught the drift of complete and intended sarcasm in that statement.

[SNPete]

Quote by: CheckMate It can only get better.

There is a time for debate and a time to learn. Soccer fk needs to know the difference. Note the OP. E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N. I do debate quite well thank you, but I really wanted to know the mindset of the God Hater. Nothing more, nothing less.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: SNPete There is a time for debate and a time to learn. Soccer fk needs to know the difference. Note the OP. E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N. I do debate quite well thank you, but I really wanted to know the mindset of the God Hater. Nothing more, nothing less.

Have you understood the mindset a little bit or has everything I've been saying been going in one ear and out the other? Please, ask more.