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Old Oct 14, 2005, 05:46 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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You are immortal

It's very simply

You want to move the hand

To move the hand the brain must read the state of something which is pointing to this

You are that something


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Old Oct 14, 2005, 05:52 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 06:21 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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A n o TH e r M e s S a G e


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Old Oct 14, 2005, 07:05 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Greater elucidation would be helpful.


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Old Oct 15, 2005, 12:32 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I believe people won't ever experience death for a few reasons:

1) If we were physical, there's nothing that indicates matter or energy can be destroyed. They just transform into different things.

2) If we could be 'destroyed', or for an infinite period be kept from having any experiences, then we'd still only know life. If you're conscious for 1 year out of 1 billion years, you're still conscious of something 100% of the time you're conscious of anything. The remainder I'd assume you experience nothing.

3) And even assuming there was a way to destroy matter, I believe our consciousness doesn't even exist in the typical tangible form we see the universe as. (I think it's quantum energies that are links to consciousness)

I've come to realize over the last few years that there's probably more value to the expression "The only thing to fear, is fear itself." than people typically see. There are some things that are beyond our control and it's liberating to realize that you don't have to worry about them much, simply because you can't affect them. So go for what you can do and be thankful for the opportunities you have.

I started out religious, turned to science instead, and now I'm swinging a bit toward the spiritual side. It's been an interesting ride so far.


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Old Oct 15, 2005, 12:52 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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I believe people won't ever experience death for a few reasons:

1) If we were physical, there's nothing that indicates matter or energy can be destroyed. They just transform into different things.

2) If we could be 'destroyed', or for an infinite period be kept from having any experiences, then we'd still only know life. If you're conscious for 1 year out of 1 billion years, you're still conscious of something 100% of the time you're conscious of anything. The remainder I'd assume you experience nothing.

3) And even assuming there was a way to destroy matter, I believe our consciousness doesn't even exist in the typical tangible form we see the universe as. (I think it's quantum energies that are links to consciousness)

I've come to realize over the last few years that there's probably more value to the expression "The only thing to fear, is fear itself." than people typically see. There are some things that are beyond our control and it's liberating to realize that you don't have to worry about them much, simply because you can't affect them. So go for what you can do and be thankful for the opportunities you have.

I started out religious, turned to science instead, and now I'm swinging a bit toward the spiritual side. It's been an interesting ride so far.
Yeah, our atoms go elsewhere and become other elements and lifeforms. But our brain is made of the same atoms, our brain. Once those atoms leave and our brain dissembles, it stops, and we lose conciousness and therefore enter death. Or exit life, whichever you choose.
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 01:03 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah, our atoms go elsewhere and become other elements and lifeforms. But our brain is made of the same atoms, our brain. Once those atoms leave and our brain dissembles, it stops, and we lose conciousness and therefore enter death. Or exit life, whichever you choose.
Here's an interesting thing - quantum energies can be shared across multiple pieces of matter.

If we're quantum computers, then we could easily move from the quantum characteristic of one object to another nearby and not be tied to anything in particular. The distances are normally small but can be extended with careful engineering.


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Old Oct 15, 2005, 03:28 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 03:32 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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I started out religious, turned to science instead, and now I'm swinging a bit toward the spiritual side. It's been an interesting ride so far.
Want a real ride? Try Jesus friend, you'll like it!!! No not religion...but a personal; relationship!

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Old Oct 15, 2005, 10:25 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Here's an interesting thing - quantum energies can be shared across multiple pieces of matter.

If we're quantum computers, then we could easily move from the quantum characteristic of one object to another nearby and not be tied to anything in particular. The distances are normally small but can be extended with careful engineering.
But quantum energies don't dictate the processes of our brain, electrical energies do.
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 01:40 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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But quantum energies don't dictate the processes of our brain, electrical energies do.
No, electrical energies are simply large in comparison but quantum processes are everywhere and unavoidable. Even the spin and precise location of electrons in an electronic circuit are effected by quantum mechanics. Lasers wouldn't operate without quantum phenomenon existing and non-volatile electronic memory cards rely on quantum effects to store the information.


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