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Rave7pt0 · Oct 9, 2005, 09:05 pm

I'm in the process of developing a website that I'd like some help with. I can't fully explain my idea (hence the need for the site), but I essentially want to explore different perspectives. I'm not talking about cultural or age-based 'perspectives' -- I'm talking about mind-bending, cutting-edge, break-your-sanity-if-you-think-about-it-too-much avenues of thought. It's called Dreamlogic.org.

My goal is to the blow people's sense of reality out of the water by offering possibilities that are simultaineously profound and accessable. I want people to realize that their neat little conception of the world is a drop in the ocean of possibilities, and to give them an inkling of what they might find if they push the envelope of thier own thinking.

I know there are people who think along these lines, so if you know what I'm talking about and think you'd like to help, please contact me!

E-Mail: michaudp at gmail dot no spam com
AIM: Opini
MSN: theharbinger777@hotmail.com

samsara15 · Oct 9, 2005, 09:50 pm

Can many of us do that? I'd like to think I could, but not many would probably agree with my assesments of it. We certainly need to have more of that kind of thinking. Good luck.

Sonart · Oct 9, 2005, 09:57 pm

Like what?? I could write you 1,000 words on the fact that God does not exist, yet human beings are hard-wired by evolution to believe in God... or at least believe in something... and that every aspect of human behavior can be explained by evolution.

Is that what you mean by "blow people's sense of reality out of the water"?

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Rave7pt0 · Oct 9, 2005, 10:42 pm

That's not really what I mean, no. The whole God versus Material thing is played out, I'm talking about something that's more difficult to express. The very idea of our reality is totally contrived, and determined by the nature of (first) our senses and (second) our social contructions. I'm talking about realizing a vision of reality that rejects our patterns and uncovers a more primordial state that's in one sense closer to the raw stuff of the universe, and in another more cerebral than our everyday lives.

Maybe it's my one original thought and I'll do it myself, but I'm hoping to find people to bounce ideas off of and gather input from.

Scribbler1 · Oct 9, 2005, 10:56 pm

Life, the Universe and everything, huh? No small goal there, but if you want a bit of advice, I just happen to HAVE a bit of advice.

The best way to "bounce ideas off" people is to do that in the setting that is created just for that. In other words, create your site, take your original thought and present it and (after you get some traffic) wait for people to visit and contribute. People who visit your site to discuss THAT subject will no doubt already have an interest.

I'm a big believer in having a target audience. If you want politics you go here, if you want sports you go to a sports forum and if you want to put reality under a microscope you go to your site.

Hey, theres your slogan. "Putting Reality Under a Microscope Since 2005"

I've got no input on reality though, because I don't really believe in it.

Starboy · Oct 9, 2005, 11:03 pm

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Quote by: Scribbler1

I've got no input on reality though, because I don't really believe in it.

Yup, neither do I. I always say that if you have to believe in it then it ain't real.

Starboy

Scribbler1 · Oct 9, 2005, 11:11 pm

If you can't PROVE "reality" exists beyond a shadow of a doubt I will be content to believe I'm making all this up.

SteveA · Oct 9, 2005, 11:14 pm

These are all just funky ideas, don't take these too seriously but they could be fun to consider:

How about the poetic justic of a universe that repeats itself with big bangs and big crushes, while your consciousness forms in other people you've influenced in past or future cycles of the universe. Maybe the journey is finally finished once you've experienced life from every point of view ... and hopefully learned something from it

Or that more conscious minds could live along side yours, experiencing things in the same body. They grew up with you and act similarly, so we don't typically notice much but consider things like multiple personalities or the more instinctive actions you do with your body that you don't consciously think about - how about dreams? Yes, these could be described by chemical actions in the brain, but then again that also describes your consciousness, so who's to say?

Or that our consciousness resides in an alternate dimension and brains operate like radio antenna. Our minds perceive things in first person perspective but that's only because our remote senses sense them that way - sort of like watching television - it looks like your in the middle of the scene but you're actually watching something elsewhere. (It's interesting how religious views tend to track current scientific views)

Or here's a mindbender .. to me ... what if God really DID exist?! Imagine having discredited the guy for decades and then he's staring you in the face ... pondering what to do, with a rather flat expression on his face.

Now this one only questionably applies, but if you have an exponentially growing populace, and there's a sudden catostrophic event that occurs to end this, if your life is randomly selected out of the entire history, you have a good chance of seeing "the end". That's because no matter what period of time you pick, more people are alive at future dates. So the area under the last X years (X depends upon the period of population doubling, or how fast the population grow) is the same as the population that has lived from the start. This doesn't correlate very well with human history and it doesn't deny alternate "endings" that don't have a catastrophic end but it still tends to imply people could be living closer to the "end of the world" than simply being alive at some random period of time in history. I just wanted to give everyone reading this a nice warm fuzzy feeling

If you want to push the "disturbing" envelope, it's easy to come up with some nightmare scenarios for nanotechnology, mind control, or possibly weapon developments, but I prefer lighter subjects.

Sonart · Oct 10, 2005, 01:15 am

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That's not really what I mean, no. The whole God versus Material thing is played out, I'm talking about something that's more difficult to express.

Damn, you sound like all those friggin' art directors I used to deal with as a freelance illustrator.

"Okay, I'm not really sure what you're looking for. Can you give me some art direction on this?"

"Nah, not really... I'll know it if I see it. Just make it really good."

"{{{GROAN}}}"

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SteveA · Oct 10, 2005, 01:38 am

Here's another wierd thought: Anything traveling at the speed of light doesn't experience time passing (is this true of all forms of energy?). Light (photons) don't age. Matter and energy are indestructible as far as I know, they can only be transformed one into the other.

If we experience time as matter, but the spirit part of us is energy, we could travel as energy without experiencing time, only to awake in some other form of matter later.

I've heard it said a black hole doesn't have a "memory" of what matter has fallen into it (though this has been debated), it simply has a quantity of energy (partly expressed as a rotation), so if energy has no memory of the matter it was composed of prior to being converted into energy, that could sort of explain why people have no recollection of where/what they were prior to being alive.

This is just random stuff, off the cuff, but interesting to think about.

rcne · Oct 10, 2005, 08:28 am

Matter is related to time, but matter itself is just another form of energy. Its all just a frequency, a matrix energy waveform we call reality.

Oct 9, 2005, 09:05 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	Help Me: Very "Other" Perspectives Wanted I'm in the process of developing a website that I'd like some help with. I can't fully explain my idea (hence the need for the site), but I essentially want to explore different perspectives. I'm not talking about cultural or age-based 'perspectives' -- I'm talking about mind-bending, cutting-edge, break-your-sanity-if-you-think-about-it-too-much avenues of thought. It's called Dreamlogic.org. My goal is to the blow people's sense of reality out of the water by offering possibilities that are simultaineously profound and accessable. I want people to realize that their neat little conception of the world is a drop in the ocean of possibilities, and to give them an inkling of what they might find if they push the envelope of thier own thinking. I know there are people who think along these lines, so if you know what I'm talking about and think you'd like to help, please contact me! E-Mail: michaudp at gmail dot no spam com AIM: Opini MSN: theharbinger777@hotmail.com Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

Oct 9, 2005, 09:57 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Sonart It's simply logical Location: San Diego Posts: 4,333	Like what?? I could write you 1,000 words on the fact that God does not exist, yet human beings are hard-wired by evolution to believe in God... or at least believe in something... and that every aspect of human behavior can be explained by evolution. Is that what you mean by "blow people's sense of reality out of the water"? . I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it

Oct 9, 2005, 10:42 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	That's not really what I mean, no. The whole God versus Material thing is played out, I'm talking about something that's more difficult to express. The very idea of our reality is totally contrived, and determined by the nature of (first) our senses and (second) our social contructions. I'm talking about realizing a vision of reality that rejects our patterns and uncovers a more primordial state that's in one sense closer to the raw stuff of the universe, and in another more cerebral than our everyday lives. Maybe it's my one original thought and I'll do it myself, but I'm hoping to find people to bounce ideas off of and gather input from. Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

Oct 9, 2005, 11:14 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
SteveA Anarcho-capitalist Posts: 1,972	These are all just funky ideas, don't take these too seriously but they could be fun to consider: How about the poetic justic of a universe that repeats itself with big bangs and big crushes, while your consciousness forms in other people you've influenced in past or future cycles of the universe. Maybe the journey is finally finished once you've experienced life from every point of view ... and hopefully learned something from it Or that more conscious minds could live along side yours, experiencing things in the same body. They grew up with you and act similarly, so we don't typically notice much but consider things like multiple personalities or the more instinctive actions you do with your body that you don't consciously think about - how about dreams? Yes, these could be described by chemical actions in the brain, but then again that also describes your consciousness, so who's to say? Or that our consciousness resides in an alternate dimension and brains operate like radio antenna. Our minds perceive things in first person perspective but that's only because our remote senses sense them that way - sort of like watching television - it looks like your in the middle of the scene but you're actually watching something elsewhere. (It's interesting how religious views tend to track current scientific views) Or here's a mindbender .. to me ... what if God really DID exist?! Imagine having discredited the guy for decades and then he's staring you in the face ... pondering what to do, with a rather flat expression on his face. Now this one only questionably applies, but if you have an exponentially growing populace, and there's a sudden catostrophic event that occurs to end this, if your life is randomly selected out of the entire history, you have a good chance of seeing "the end". That's because no matter what period of time you pick, more people are alive at future dates. So the area under the last X years (X depends upon the period of population doubling, or how fast the population grow) is the same as the population that has lived from the start. This doesn't correlate very well with human history and it doesn't deny alternate "endings" that don't have a catastrophic end but it still tends to imply people could be living closer to the "end of the world" than simply being alive at some random period of time in history. I just wanted to give everyone reading this a nice warm fuzzy feeling If you want to push the "disturbing" envelope, it's easy to come up with some nightmare scenarios for nanotechnology, mind control, or possibly weapon developments, but I prefer lighter subjects. Freedom - are you man enough to handle it? If so, join us in New Hampshire! The Free State Project ("Liberty in our lifetime!") www.freestateproject.com

Oct 10, 2005, 01:38 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
SteveA Anarcho-capitalist Posts: 1,972	Here's another wierd thought: Anything traveling at the speed of light doesn't experience time passing (is this true of all forms of energy?). Light (photons) don't age. Matter and energy are indestructible as far as I know, they can only be transformed one into the other. If we experience time as matter, but the spirit part of us is energy, we could travel as energy without experiencing time, only to awake in some other form of matter later. I've heard it said a black hole doesn't have a "memory" of what matter has fallen into it (though this has been debated), it simply has a quantity of energy (partly expressed as a rotation), so if energy has no memory of the matter it was composed of prior to being converted into energy, that could sort of explain why people have no recollection of where/what they were prior to being alive. This is just random stuff, off the cuff, but interesting to think about. Freedom - are you man enough to handle it? If so, join us in New Hampshire! The Free State Project ("Liberty in our lifetime!") www.freestateproject.com

Oct 9, 2005, 09:50 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 Ch Latour 61 Location: Maryland Posts: 638	Can many of us do that? I'd like to think I could, but not many would probably agree with my assesments of it. We certainly need to have more of that kind of thinking. Good luck.

Oct 9, 2005, 10:56 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	Life, the Universe and everything, huh? No small goal there, but if you want a bit of advice, I just happen to HAVE a bit of advice. The best way to "bounce ideas off" people is to do that in the setting that is created just for that. In other words, create your site, take your original thought and present it and (after you get some traffic) wait for people to visit and contribute. People who visit your site to discuss THAT subject will no doubt already have an interest. I'm a big believer in having a target audience. If you want politics you go here, if you want sports you go to a sports forum and if you want to put reality under a microscope you go to your site. Hey, theres your slogan. "Putting Reality Under a Microscope Since 2005" I've got no input on reality though, because I don't really believe in it.

Oct 9, 2005, 11:11 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	If you can't PROVE "reality" exists beyond a shadow of a doubt I will be content to believe I'm making all this up.

Oct 10, 2005, 08:28 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
rcne Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566	Matter is related to time, but matter itself is just another form of energy. Its all just a frequency, a matrix energy waveform we call reality. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism)