Trinity

[troykb]

Is Jesus the Father, Son, and HolyGhost or are they separte working in the same compacity?

[CallousGiant]

Jesus is the son.....of god....

The holy ghost is the bit that visits earth for miracles etc.

The father is god, the father of jesus and creator of everything.

But they are all the same person/thing (God)

[5010]

Cited at www.dictionary.com, based on the source "Easton's 1897 Dictionary"

Trinity
a word not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of
God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr.
trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Lat. trinitas,
first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine. The propositions
involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but
one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 44:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30). 2.
That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona,
suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That
Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and
the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person

[Athena]

Quote by: 5010 Cited at www.dictionary.com, based on the source "Easton's 1897 Dictionary" Trinity a word not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr. trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 44:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person

Great explanation, but you realize how confusing it can be to people who haven't already wrapped their minds around? Makes me want to walk away and look for the truth of God some place else. God is one, but there is a trinity, and somehow each part of this trinity is distinctly different from the other two. Okay, to get to the grocery store, go down two blocks and turn right, but don't turn right and you will get there. I think I am experiencing brain melt down. While the explanation of the trinity is impressive, it also seems to be double speak or some other confusing system of logic. It is one and it is three. How is one, three?

What is the substance of each? To the best of our knowledge all manifestation has substance. I am not sure what the substance of wind is, so I am not sure everything has substance.

Hum, the protectors of truth are confusion and paradox. For sure, I feel confused.

[Flip Jackson]

The idea of the Trinity confuses me also. I don't understand how God could be one thing and three, especially when the Bible records all three of the mbeing at the same place at the same time. Supposedly the Trinity is a description of the God of the Bible, but I don't understand where the supprt comes from.

The idea loses me.

[5010]

Yes, it's very mysterious. The thing that I find interesting is that it comes from tradition outside the Bible, yet even fundamental denominations (who denounce non-scripture traditions) tend to accept the concept of trinity nonetheless.

I don't think we should try too hard to figure out the nature of God. The way I look at it, One who creates nature has no nature. The ultimate source of mechanism itself must not be a mechanism, for that requires cause.

[Starboy]

Quote by: 5010 Yes, it's very mysterious. The thing that I find interesting is that it comes from tradition outside the Bible, yet even fundamental denominations (who denounce non-scripture traditions) tend to accept the concept of trinity nonetheless.

It is not all that mysterious. It simply indicates that the vast majority of Christian traditions do not encourage its members to examine the historical record in total but want them to concentrate on just their message. In other words, 'Ignore that man standing behind the curtain and behold the GREAT and POWERFUL OZ!'

Just more hocum.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

Easy enough to understand,hes a distributed consciousness.

[Lilith]

Does not the Holy Spirit supposed to represent the feminine aspect of God? How can you have a Father and Son, with no mother?

Kind of like ancient Goddess worship, the Triple Goddess, virgin, mother, crone. Birth, preservation, death.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Lilith Does not the Holy Spirit supposed to represent the feminine aspect of God? How can you have a Father and Son, with no mother? Kind of like ancient Goddess worship, the Triple Goddess, virgin, mother, crone. Birth, preservation, death.

Well yes. In the earlier traditions that it was stolen from it was a little nuclear family of gods pantheon. A great deal of ritual of Christianity was either stolen or incorprated from other religions.

Starboy

[bishop]

they're all the same, the only difference is how they manifest themselves..

first, it's god the father, not jesus the father.. jesus is, if you believe in the holy trinity, god's son... the holy ghost/spirit is the vision people saw of jesus's spirit during the resurrection.

i happen to look at the holy trinity as more of a metaphor than anything else. i don't believe that jesus was born out of an immaculate conception. by saying that god is the father, it simply means that god is the father of all life - especially humanity.

calling jesus the son could also be looked at as a metaphor, instead of literally. you could say that jesus is trying to act like a good son to his "father" (eg. god).. for some of us, we aspire to please those we love - if jesus had a deep love for god you could apply the father/son metaphor.

and the holy spirit... taken literally, people say they can see ghosts, others disagree.. figuratively, it simply symbolizes the ascension of the soul into heaven/wherever souls go when we die.

[gr8ridejester]

Quote by: Athena Great explanation, but you realize how confusing it can be to people who haven't already wrapped their minds around? Makes me want to walk away and look for the truth of God some place else. God is one, but there is a trinity, and somehow each part of this trinity is distinctly different from the other two. Okay, to get to the grocery store, go down two blocks and turn right, but don't turn right and you will get there. I think I am experiencing brain melt down. While the explanation of the trinity is impressive, it also seems to be double speak or some other confusing system of logic. It is one and it is three. How is one, three? What is the substance of each? To the best of our knowledge all manifestation has substance. I am not sure what the substance of wind is, so I am not sure everything has substance. Hum, the protectors of truth are confusion and paradox. For sure, I feel confused.

The easiest way to understand the trinity is to use a shamrock...as St. Patrick did in Irland. Each leaf is a like a part of God. It is the three leaves which makes the shamrock, thus it is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost which compose God.

[Starboy]

Quote by: gr8ridejester The easiest way to understand the trinity is to use a shamrock...as St. Patrick did in Irland. Each leaf is a like a part of God. It is the three leaves which makes the shamrock, thus it is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost which compose God.

That would be a good example of the concept of the trinity if a shamrock leaf was a shamrock.

Starboy

[gr8ridejester]

Quote by: Starboy That would be a good example of the concept of the trinity if a shamrock leaf was a shamrock. Starboy

:confused: How do you mean?

[Starboy]

Quote by: gr8ridejester :confused: How do you mean?

A human arm is not a human. It is part of a human. A shamrock leaf is not a shamrock. It is part of a shamrock.

Starboy

[gr8ridejester]

Quote by: Starboy A human arm is not a human. It is part of a human. A shamrock leaf is not a shamrock. It is part of a shamrock. Starboy

Exactly! Now you're getting it.

[Starboy]

Quote by: gr8ridejester Exactly! Now you're getting it.

Getting what? That your shamrock metaphor has nothing to do with the concept of the trinity?

Starboy

[5010]

Quote by: Starboy A human arm is not a human. It is part of a human. A shamrock leaf is not a shamrock. It is part of a shamrock. Starboy

Assuming shamrock is a valid explanation of trinity, saying "that Jesus is God" is like saying "that arm is human". In this case, God is not a noun, but an adjective.

The leaf is not a shamrock, but the leaf is shamrock.

Don't ya luv English...

[Starboy]

Quote by: 5010 Assuming shamrock is a valid explanation of trinity, saying "that Jesus is God" is like saying "that arm is human". In this case, God is not a noun, but an adjective. The leaf is not a shamrock, but the leaf is shamrock. Don't ya luv English...

Yes you gotta love it. The confusion of "human" as a noun and as an adjective is most of the anti-abortion argument.

Starboy

[gr8ridejester]

Quote by: Starboy Getting what? That your shamrock metaphor has nothing to do with the concept of the trinity? Starboy

The three leaves are symbolic of the Father, Son and Holy spirit. A shamrock is one unit, but the three leaves are what makes the shamrock a shamrock. You see, when St. Patrick demonstrated the principle behind the Trinity using a shamrock, he pointed to its three leaflets united by a common stalk. Through this, you can see how the three are as one.