appease God

[Athena]

Christians you would be more credible if you actually did what the bible tells people of the God of Abraham to do. In the face of the hurricane and the present threat of a flu plague that could kill thousands, why are you not appeasing God as the bible says must be done? The following if off the internet.


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The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

The First Book of the
Chronicles
21

David Numbers Israel and Judah
2 Sam. 24.1-25
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2 And David said to Jo'ab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beer–sheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it.

3 And Jo'ab answered, The LORD make his people a hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel?

4 Nevertheless the king's word prevailed against Jo'ab. Wherefore Jo'ab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem.

5 And Jo'ab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and a hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword.

6 But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for the king's word was abominable to Jo'ab.

7 ¶ And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.

8 And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

9 And the LORD spake unto Gad, David's seer, saying,

10 Go and tell David, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things: choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.

11 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee

12 either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.

13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man.

14 ¶ So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.

15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jeb'usite.

16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.

18 ¶ Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jeb'usite.

19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.

20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.

21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.

22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.

23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.

24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.

25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.

26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.

27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.


The Site for the Temple
28 ¶ At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jeb'usite, then he sacrificed there.

29 For the tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the wilderness, and the altar of the burnt offering, were at that season in the high place at Gibeon.

30 But David could not go before it to inquire of God: for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of the LORD.



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[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Athena Christians you would be more credible if you actually did what the bible tells people of the God of Abraham to do. In the face of the hurricane and the present threat of a flu plague that could kill thousands, why are you not appeasing God as the bible says must be done?

So what are you saying Christians should do? Sacrifice like David did at the alter in order to appease God?

Christopher J. Freeman

[tinybear]

Is this the way you see the almighty benevolent God? That He shall kill all of us unless we appease Him?

[LetThereBe]

Don't bring this on Christians. I would say that for Jews maybe. Jesus was the onetime ultimate sacrifice. Animal sacrifice no longer goes for the forgiveness of sins.

[Lilith]

I think maybe that she means if one takes the entire Bible literally. I dunno, I could be wrong.

[Athena]

Quote by: LetThereBe Don't bring this on Christians. I would say that for Jews maybe. Jesus was the onetime ultimate sacrifice. Animal sacrifice no longer goes for the forgiveness of sins.

If Jesus was the one time ultimate sacrifice why is God still punishing people as he did in the old testament? Pat Robertson said the hurricane was a cleansing. How do you interpret the bible, without understanding the hurricane as an act of God made necessary by our sin? This aught to be a real good discussion!

PS for those who do have not read my other post, I am not Christian, and I think it is foolish for people to believe God (this planet) functioned differently before Jesus than it is does after Jesus, and foolish to not realize the change is, today we understand things scientifically, and in the past all people thought gods made things as they are. It is foolish to read of one tribal God and believe this is the one and only word of God. Only when people have the necessary cultural experience for a Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim do these world views make sense. This is why all these religious people share the same prophets and same early stories, but do not agree about God's truth. First they have culture which determines their world view, than the interpret their holy books adding to their world view. People who do not share the same cultural experience, will not interpret the holy books the same way. Everything they learned through their separate cultural hertiage, makes only thier own world view an apparent logical one. For sure the only solution to this religious problem which has historical lead to wars and persecution, is democracy. That is, discussing what we believe is true until we realize some agreements.

The US is far behind Europe in this regards because in the US religious freedom and apparent peace between the different religious, was maintained with social rule forbidding discussion of religion and politics. It has been bad manners to do what we are doing, until recently, and the Christian right, and the renewed holy wars between Christians and Muslims, and the struggle for control or our democracy between the Christians and non religious people, has brought this to a head. In the present, the feelings of Christians has become less important than the preventing the damage religion does to democracy and world peace. As in the beginning of the US truth has become more important than peace.

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Athena If Jesus was the one time ultimate sacrifice why is God still punishing people as he did in the old testament?

Because people keep sinning. Christ's sacrifice saves the elect from eternal damnation, not present suffering.

Christopher J. Freeman