God and the law

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy The trinity as one is not my idea. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm Now I suppose the Catholic Church, which it the organization that put the dang bible together and declaried it the word of god and holy and the "truth" are wrong since they have the audacity to disagree with you. Now I can understand how you could be confused about it since even the Catholic church is confused about it. As they put it, three separate beings are one god which is one being. Starboy

First of all,Staryboy, I'm not Catholic. So let's make that clear between me and you right now.

Second of all, I believe in the triune God. God the FATHER, God the SON, and God the Holy Spirit. And yes, I believe along those lines......3 SEPARATE beings which make up the Godhead.



Let me ask you a few questions, Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross?

[Starboy]

deedee, I have been talking about the Christian trinity. There is only one Christian trinity and that is the Catholic trinity. Anyway by now it should be obvious to all that you are no different than all other Christians in regards to my comment about morons.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy deedee, I have been talking about the Christian trinity. There is only one Christian trinity and that is the Catholic trinity. Anyway by now it should be obvious to all that you are no different than all other Christians in regards to my comment about morons. Starboy

And on that note, please make note that even though you are atheist, I respect your decision to make that personal decision that you yourself made. A personal choice is just that.......a personal choice. Do I think that you are a moron for not believing in the Trinity? Nope. That's your decision and I respect it.

And no.......there is not just ONE type of trinity, why the heck do you think there are so many different faiths? You made an uneducated statement. Lutherans branched away from Catholicism because they don't agree with all of the ideologies and guidelines that the Catholic Church holds.

Again, I ask you:


...............Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross?

[Samildanach]

...............Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross?

meaningless blather....get a real religion.

http://www.venganza.org/

[deedee]

Quote by: Samildanach meaningless blather....get a real religion. http://www.venganza.org/

If it's meaningless to you.......ignore the thread, what'd you say? :rolleyes:

[Starboy]

deedee my estimation of you as a person would just jump ahead by leaps and bounds if you could honestly admit that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Starboy

[deedee]

..............Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross?


I'm still waiting.........

[Samildanach]

Absolutely not. I have the right to bash a bad idea or point out psychological problems same as anyone else.

[deedee]

Quote by: Samildanach Absolutely not. I have the right to bash a bad idea or point out psychological problems same as anyone else.

You have the right to 'bash' an idea eh?

Hmmm. Suit yourself, but please remember that there were some that thought Einstein's ideas were bad.

I'm not saying that Christianity should be equated to Einstein's ideas.........but I AM saying is that if you feel like a better person for bashing.........then bash away, my friend......bash away. Whatever floats your boat.





..............Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross?




(Still waiting and am curious on what you think on the above, since you are arguing from the single entity standpoint of view.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee ..............Starboy, when Christ died on the cross, do you think God the Father died with him during those 3 days? Do you think the Holy Spirit died? Where was the Father when Christ died on the cross? (Still waiting and am curious on what you think on the above, since you are arguing from the single entity standpoint of view.

If Jesus was an actual person I do not think he died on the cross. I think it was a hoax.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

I'm not saying that Christianity should be equated to Einstein's ideas.........but I AM saying is that if you feel like a better person for bashing.........then bash away, my friend......bash away. Whatever floats your boat.

Believe me I intend to. Religious mumbo jumbo whether it be god jesus, the devil the flying spaghetti monster, shiva, the man in the moon, the tooth fairy, father christmas or whatever else I can come up with that is imaginary will be acknowledged for the fantasy it is. Thats a little something I like to call SANITY.

[Ceyaotl]

Quote by: Athena Hold on! There are plenty of people who believe in a Creator, who do not accept the Christian bible as the word of God. We can believe in a Creator without believing Christianity has the one and only God. Please be careful with your words, because you are promoting a lie in the way you phrased yourself above. To clarify this trinity thing, you seem to be saying father, son and holy ghost are not three separate entities but three aspects of the same thing. Christians do not agree on this point. Please, proceed with your argument.

You should hold on. I never said that only Christians believe in a Creator nor did I say that only Christians were believers. If the shoe fits, my statement is as it is. Non-believers are just that. They don’t believe in any Creator. It is you who should be careful in your comprehension of what you read. The lie here is that you attempt to distort my point of view by making it seem as though I have some limited tolerance of others. I think you should re-read my last post and rethink your last post.

Well, yes the trinity is one.

Trinity:
A word not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of
God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Greek,
trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Latin trinitas,
first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine. The propositions
involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but
one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 44:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30). 2.
That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona,
suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That
Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and
the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.


To understand it better one would have to have lived the different cultures of Catholicism and the Protestant Church, right? I am no theologian but I was born a Catholic and have been in the Protestant Church as well. I made communion and confirmation as well as attended many Bible studies in the Protestant Church. I have studied the concepts of Islam, Mormonism, Buddhism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Greek and Roman Mythology, Meso-American Mythology and American Indian culture.
Each one that I have mentioned have an unexplainable miracle type beginning, Christ, Messiah, and or turbulent prophesy of the end. Each one has a spiritual twist to believe in like the Christian Trinity. Yet for some reason the human need to believe these religions have stood the test of time and science. I’m not doubting anyone’s beliefs or ideology I am merely stating a truth and an honest definition from the perspective of Christianity towards the Trinity.


Starboy,
You may have an agenda to disprove, poke fun or make Christians look silly or doubt themselves of this concept, but the fact of the matter is the trinity is looked at by most Christians as one God of three beings. Jesus said “I am one with the Father” and that is to mean “one with the Father”. It is clear you dislike Christians and your crude people skills with them proves that point even more.


The Book of Genesis

Chapter 1;1.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
Now this is a being of spirit that can obviously move too and fro.

Chapter 3; 8
And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"

This is obviously a being on foot. Walking and moving about as you and I do. For his line of sight to be obscured he would have to be standing on the ground. Now God being omnipotent I would say here he already new what was afoot with the man and the woman and merely had to get them to face their sin. Anyway, I digress.

God the Father does not have to move, walk or descend as his son and spirit are there to do these things, yet he does through them. They are not messengers they are an extension of his being. He has Angels as messengers. To believe the Christian God to be three different entities would not be Christian at all as there is only one God and he is a jealous God.
Exodus 20:3
"You shall have no other gods before Me." “Me” as in one.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Ceyaotl Starboy, You may have an agenda to disprove, poke fun or make Christians look silly or doubt themselves of this concept, but the fact of the matter is the trinity is looked at by most Christians as one God of three beings. Jesus said “I am one with the Father” and that is to mean “one with the Father”. It is clear you dislike Christians and your crude people skills with them proves that point even more.[/b]

I don't have to make the concept of the trinity look stupid. It stands on its own lack of merit. My posts were with deedee who in typical Christian fashion presented Christian hearsay as fact that the trinity is presented and described in the bible. When you and I know that it is not. Also in typical Christian fashion rather than admit error she hems and haws about it as if somehow the trinity means something different to Christians as a whole then what Christians have amply written about. Deedee well exemplified my observation that the vast majority of Christians are morons and have no idea what the faith they profess to know is about. I have long maintained that the best way to turn a Christian into an atheist is to get them to read their own dang bible and to think about it.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy If Jesus was an actual person I do not think he died on the cross. I think it was a hoax. Starboy

Don't you find it tooooooo coincidental that 3 major religions believe that Jesus Christ existed? Wow.

I see you are evading my questions....and the questions that I have myself in regards to your 'single entity' angle.

Hopefully, by now, you will see that it is impossible for God to have died with Jesus Christ who died on the Christ but was risen on the third day. This does not support your 'single entity' claim.

I believe that three person's make up the Godhead -- that's my understanding anyway.

[Ceyaotl]

Quote by: Starboy The trinity as one is not my idea. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm Now I suppose the Catholic Church, which it the organization that put the dang bible together and declaried it the word of god and holy and the "truth" are wrong since they have the audacity to disagree with you. Now I can understand how you could be confused about it since even the Catholic church is confused about it. As they put it, three separate beings are one god which is one being. Starboy

Uh, okay starboy now you see the point. From a Christian perspective you are the confused one. This is faith and the majesty of God. The complexity of which he exists in is not for us to totally understand but to know and except. Why should you as a mere mortal totally understand God's being? That would mean you have God like abilities. That is the original lie, remember? Him being the Father we are children with child like perspectives on the total purpose of life. You won't know the total meaning until you are in his presence.

[deedee]

Quote by: Samildanach Believe me I intend to. Religious mumbo jumbo whether it be god jesus, the devil the flying spaghetti monster, shiva, the man in the moon, the tooth fairy, father christmas or whatever else I can come up with that is imaginary will be acknowledged for the fantasy it is. Thats a little something I like to call SANITY.

Again, your bashing is just that........b-a-s-h-i-n-g.

I prefer to hold discussions with those who come here that question things and want to hold a discussion. Care to argue why you think Jesus is religious mumbo jumbo?

Care to argue why scientists can't agree on the many different theories there are out there?

Come on Sam, give me something with substance instead of your apparent bantering.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee Don't you find it tooooooo coincidental that 3 major religions believe that Jesus Christ existed? Wow. I see you are evading my questions....and the questions that I have myself in regards to your 'single entity' angle. Hopefully, by now, you will see that it is impossible for God to have died with Jesus Christ who died on the Christ but was risen on the third day. This does not support your 'single entity' claim. I believe that three person's make up the Godhead -- that's my understanding anyway.

You asked me what I thought. I told you. As for three major religions believing in Jesus Christ, I know of two, what is the third? And of the two, it is not as if they believe the same things about Jesus. Or is this just another Christian moron statement.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Quote by: Ceyaotl Uh, okay starboy now you see the point. From a Christian perspective you are the confused one. This is faith and the majesty of God. The complexity of which he exists in is not for us to totally understand but to know and except. Why should you as a mere mortal totally understand God's being? That would mean you have God like abilities. That is the original lie, remember? Him being the Father we are children with child like perspectives on the total purpose of life. You won't know the total meaning until you are in his presence.

Never said it was. Just said it is not presented and described in the bible. Even you admitted to that. I know there were a lot of posts in this thread on this one vein but perhaps you should take the time to go back to the beginning and follow it before you jump in ass first.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy You asked me what I thought. I told you. As for three major religions believing in Jesus Christ, I know of two, what is the third? And of the two, it is not as if they believe the same things about Jesus. Or is this just another Christian moron statement. Starboy

Even the Jews believe that Jesus existed. So do the Muslims. Why haven't you addressed the very few and simple questions that I asked you? To me, it appears as if you are evading those penetrating questions on whether or not there is a 'single entity'. I refute that......in respect that each person is a separate being but make up a Godhead. A 'united' Godhead.

Do you agree? Or are you going to take the 'atheist moronic' approach? tsk tsk.

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy I don't have to make the concept of the trinity look stupid. It stands on its own lack of merit. My posts were with deedee who in typical Christian fashion presented Christian hearsay as fact that the trinity is presented and described in the bible. When you and I know that it is not. Also in typical Christian fashion rather than admit error she hems and haws about it as if somehow the trinity means something different to Christians as a whole then what Christians have amply written about. Deedee well exemplified my observation that the vast majority of Christians are morons and have no idea what the faith they profess to know is about. I have long maintained that the best way to turn a Christian into an atheist is to get them to read their own dang bible and to think about it. Starboy

Typical atheist approach. They think that by reading 1 or 2 paragraphs of the Bible or other Holy books out there.......well they think they can grasp the full understanding of the books. Give me a break.


:rolleyes: