God and the law

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy You missed my point. Please prove that there is no Zeus. People do not believe in Zeus because there is really no rational reason to believe in Zeus and yet there was a time when many did and for no better reasons than those you use to believe in god. You are able to understand that belief in Zeus is silly but because you practice a dishonest double standard in your own beliefs you are unable to apply the same standards you use for Zeus to your god. Starboy

Nay. I didn't miss your point....you missed mine.

Zeus was the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and of the Pantheon of gods who resided there. God is ruler of the universe and the Creator of the world. Big difference....now who created 'Zeus'? Who created the idea of Zeus?

He was god of Mt. Olympus according to greek mythology. Further.......it is my understanding that Zeus is part of mythology and not 'theology'.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee Nay. I didn't miss your point....you missed mine. Zeus was the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and of the Pantheon of gods who resided there. God is ruler of the universe and the Creator of the world. Big difference....now who created 'Zeus'? Who created the idea of Zeus? He was god of Mt. Olympus according to greek mythology. Further.......it is my understanding that Zeus is part of mythology and not 'theology'.

The very sad thing about your response it that you are serious.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy The very sad thing about your response it that you are serious. Starboy

No, sweetheart.....I was not being serious...but I did take the approach that perhaps you might believe in the mythological god.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee No, sweetheart.....I was not being serious...but I did take the approach that perhaps you might believe in the mythological god.

No I don't believe in a mytholigical god, that is silly. I believe in an artificial god. Doesn't everyone?

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy No I don't believe in a mytholigical god, that is silly. I believe in an artificial god. Doesn't everyone? Starboy

Well...okay, that cancels out your belief in mythological gods. Whew! You never know, right? I'm sure there are die hard mythologists out there in the internet world.

To some, God is articificial.....to others, he is very real. Fact of the matter is.....people choose their own destiny. Ah! The power of free will......it is a wonderful thing sometimes.

[Athena]

Quote by: deedee Nay. I didn't miss your point....you missed mine. Zeus was the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and of the Pantheon of gods who resided there. God is ruler of the universe and the Creator of the world. Big difference....now who created 'Zeus'? Who created the idea of Zeus? He was god of Mt. Olympus according to greek mythology. Further.......it is my understanding that Zeus is part of mythology and not 'theology'.

It is a mistake to think the Christian concept of God and creation is separate from earlier beliefs. Did you ever play the game telephone? Everyone stands in a long line holding hands. The person at one end whispers a message to the person holding his/her and then the second person whispers the message to the third, and so on until the message reaches the last person. Then the last person says aloud what the message is and everyone laughs, because it so different from the original message.

Creation and god stories were told thousands of years before anyone had the ability to write. Like the story telephone, the stories got changed. One thing that didn't change so much is the idea that everything came out of dark chaos, and a God had choosen people.
When these people with different gods ran into each other, they blended stories or opposed each others like two boys arguing over whose father is the best and can beat up the other kids father. What history shows us is the nature of human nature, which isn't changed a whole lot from the age 8 to the age of 80. Neither had the basic God concept changed so much from the first creation story to the last religious story of creation.

What made the last religious creation story the last one, is the ability to write. As soon as people learned to write, their creation stories survived unchanged as long as there civilizations surivived. Writing of holy books manifest religious "authority" and all those who follow must refer this "authority", as people today now refer to the constitutions as the word of authority, they also refer to the holy scriptures. Which religion you believe is the right explanation of God and creation, depends on the culture that filled your head from birth to age 8. If you were raised Hindu, you would be sure this is the correct explanation of all things, and so it is for Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Toaist and athiest. It is our cultures the determine what makes sense to us and what does not, not our intellect, because our intellect is the result of our cultures. However, as Kuldeep, a Hindu says, we can over come our cultural biases with our intellect. This is the process of education.

[deedee]

Quote by: Athena I Creation and god stories were told thousands of years before anyone had the ability to write.

Then explain all of the parallelism and the several many coincidences that has occurred over the past several thousand years to me please.

Explain each one and perhaps I might understand where you are coming from.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee Well...okay, that cancels out your belief in mythological gods. Whew! You never know, right? I'm sure there are die hard mythologists out there in the internet world. To some, God is articificial.....to others, he is very real. Fact of the matter is.....people choose their own destiny. Ah! The power of free will......it is a wonderful thing sometimes.

You seem to have convieniently forgotten your orignal claim:

Quote by: deedee Believing in God is just as reasonable as not believing one.

It is only “as reasonable” if you believe in all gods or you believe in none at all. Since one god is as reasonable as another. But to believe in god but not Thor or Vishnu or Zeus is not reasonable when there is as much reason to believe in one as the other. However the fact still remains that the majority of god believers in the world are not reasonable in that regard.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy You seem to have convieniently forgotten your orignal claim: It is only “as reasonable” if you believe in all gods or you believe in none at all. Since one god is as reasonable as another. But to believe in god but not Thor or Vishnu or Zeus is not reasonable when there is as much reason to believe in one as the other. However the fact still remains that the majority of god believers in the world are not reasonable in that regard. Starboy

Of course I didn't forget, silly. I am asking for an explanation of the several, several coincidences that are found in the Haftorahs, the Penteteuch, the Holy Bible and part of the Muslim Koran.

Please explain some of the theology aspects of same........and since neither you nor I believe in mythology......then we can agree to avoid this topic. You nor I believe in mythology.....you don't believe in theology and I do. So let's start from there.

Please explain the several coincidences that are found in the Bible, the Haftorah's, the Penteteuch and the Koran. Let's start from there.

Please start disproving.

[Starboy]

deedee it is for the very same reason that there are coincidences with biblical stories and more ancient stories from the Egyptians, the Summerians and Persians. People are great story tellers. And they steal from other stories all the time to invent new stories. But they are just stories. One is no more significant than the other, the bible included. The Jews steal their mythology from the Egyptians and others, the Christians steal theirs from the Jews and the Muslims steal their mythology from the Jews and Christians. So what? One of the ways that you can identify mythology is by tracing it to other mythologies. What would be significant is a mytholgy that just sprang up from thin air with stories like no other mythology. Now that would be different. But alas, your supernatural mumbo jumbo is no different than that which came before it.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy deedee it is for the very same reason that there are coincidences with biblical stories and more ancient stories from the Egyptians, the Summerians and Persians. People are great story tellers. And they steal from other stories all the time to invent new stories. But they are just stories. One is no more significant than the other, the bible included. The Jews steal their mythology from the Egyptians and others, the Christians steal theirs from the Jews and the Muslims steal their mythology from the Jews and Christians. So what? One of the ways that you can identify mythology is by tracing it to other mythologies. What would be significant is a mytholgy that just sprang up from thin air with stories like no other mythology. Now that would be different. But alas, your supernatural mumbo jumbo is no different than that which came before it. Starboy

There you go....'blanketing' things....taking the easy route in telling me and trying to get me to understand things.

Please be specific, so I know where you are coming from.

Which stories are coincidences and which stories can you disprove to me right here and now?

[Starboy]

deedee, do you think the triune god was a Christian invention? Do you think monotheism was a Jewish invention? Even in the early Jewish writings they make obvious references to other gods as if they existed. In fact god is admittedly jealous of other gods. Do you think the resurrection is a new idea? Do you think it is a coincidence that it happens close to the spring equinox? I have always maintained that you have to be an superstitious ignorant moron to be a Christian.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy deedee, do you think the triune god was a Christian invention? Do you think monotheism was a Jewish invention? Even in the early Jewish writings they make obvious references to other gods as if they existed. In fact god is admittedly jealous of other gods. Do you think the resurrection is a new idea? Do you think it is a coincidence that it happens close to the spring equinox? I have always maintained that you have to be an superstitious ignorant moron to be a Christian. Starboy

The triune God is discussed in the Book of Genesis and throughout the Bible.

[deedee]

by the way.....can we call other members, 'morons'? Does that go against rules in this forum? Please let me know, so that I can retort in like manner.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: deedee by the way.....can we call other members, 'morons'? Does that go against rules in this forum? Please let me know, so that I can retort in like manner.

FYI: They are pretty lenient on 5th grade words like "moron", deedee.

[deedee]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 FYI: They are pretty lenient on 5th grade words like "moron", deedee.

So it is my understanding that we can personally attack each other and call each other 5th grade names...right? What other 5th grade names are there out there? Who determines so? Is there a list of these so called 5th grade names.

[Starboy]

Quote by: deedee The triune God is discussed in the Book of Genesis and throughout the Bible.

The triune god predates Christianity. The Babylonians had a triune and the Hindus had something like it long before the Christians. But it is interesting that not once in the entire bible is the trinity even mentioned. It is also interesting how you will pretend that it is in there when you don’t actually know. That you will be dishonest and rather then looking it up or just saying “I don’t know” you will lie. That your faith makes a liar of you.

Starboy

[deedee]

Quote by: Starboy The triune god predates Christianity. The Babylonians had a triune and the Hindus had something like it long before the Christians. But it is interesting that not once in the entire bible is the trinity even mentioned. It is also interesting how you will pretend that it is in there when you don’t actually know. That you will be dishonest and rather then looking it up or just saying “I don’t know” you will lie. That your faith makes a liar of you. Starboy

The bible is flooded with this information.

When I get home I will pull out all of my references. I would like to have this discussion with you. I am intrigued with philosophical ideologies. And would like to hold a debate/discussion with you. It forces me to read more and sharpen my thinking. I will get home tonight and show you where I see how the bible -- primarily the Old Testament discusses the trinity.

See ya in a little while so that I can 'spank' ya. I like to be careful and use the various theological references.

[Starboy]

The bible doesn't mention anything about the trinity. But hey maybe I am wrong. Care to quote it? Oh and while you are at it find a single reference where Jesus says in his own words that he is god.

Starboy

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: deedee So it is my understanding that we can personally attack each other and call each other 5th grade names...right? What other 5th grade names are there out there? Who determines so? Is there a list of these so called 5th grade names.

For the record, he never insulted you personally, he insulted Christians as whole. I can say Christians are morons all I want, as long as I provide proper supporting evidence to my opinion. Get it?