Intelligent Design Poll: Creation or Accident

[LetThereBe]

Quote by: Athena If God was talking to "those people" why don't all people have a record of this God telling them the same thing? This is silly, a God that could prove He is God and has the power of life and death over us, talks to people, and only a handful accept he is the real God? This is unbelievable. Supposedly this God talked with Adam and Eve before there was writing. Who took the notes like a reporter and in which language? If Hebrew is the language of God, without question we should be learning it. But Adam and Eve were long before there were Hebrews, so the first time God spoke with Adam and Eve, it couldn't have been in Hebrew. Why isn't this God questionally speaking to us now? If there was a time for him to speak up, it is during this Muslims and Judeo/Christian conflict. Why doesn't he just speak up and put an end to the conflict? Besides Gensis is talking about beings who breed with humans and thus caused a problem resulting in the flood. If you want to go that route, do you accept we part alien?

I thought most here would know that "those people" referred to the Israelites, to whom that commandment was addressed. All people don't have that record, because He did not TELL all people. The Israelites were His chosen people, because their ancestor Abraham was faithful. And the Israelites who heard did not doubt (at the time). They trembled and cried out to Moses to ask God not to speak to them anymore, or else they were sure they would die. So was the glory of the Lord.
Most Christians I know (and I would guest most theists) believe that The Bible (or their respective religious scripture) was divinely inspired. Of course the story of creation was not written at the time it happened. Divine inspiration means God directly guided and led the writers to write what they did. Of course that leads one to ask, which scriptures are divinely inspired (if any are) and which are not? That is a question that troubles me as well, for their are many, documents that could have been sacred scripture, while certain books of the Bible certainly seem not be (some of the New Testament letters especially).

I believe God does continue to speak to us, just not very often or very loudly. He knows the end must and will come, so I'm not sure He even bothers with those He knows will only deny Him. Lastly, about the "beings" in Genesis, it does not say aliens. It says the "sons of God." That might indicate angel or demonic powers, or something else. Beliefs of sexual relations with demons (often associated with witchcraft) may have had some basis then.

[Boetie]

Quote by James Even worshipping false gods is having a god before the one God. Just because they worship them doesn't mean that they exist...

Why would something so powerful as a god that created the earth be jealous of an imaginary god? It would make more sense that the creator god is jealous of an actual god.

Quote by LetThereBe I believe God does continue to speak to us

God is trying to keep you in ignorance, trying to keep you from knowing there is another God.

[amana1man]

Des Moines Sunday Register August 14, 2005
A three year old died Sept, 29 2003 in a landscaping accident. After the death of her son the mother has a dream. In the dream she hugs the son and the son says "I love you". She said something was left behind from the dream. The almost real sensation of holding Seth in her arms. She said a few weeks before Seth died he asked, "Mom, will I go to heaven?" His mom said, "not one second before Jesus is ready for you." "When will he be reasdy for me?" Seth asked. His Mom said, "not for a long, long time."
Later Seth told his brother what his mother had told him. He said "when Jesus is ready for me I will go to heaven." He than added "I think he is ready for me now."
When Seth died he was not looking where he was going, he was looking up at the sky even though there were no clouds or birds in the sky. Perhaps Seth saw something else.
I would say to Seth's mother this. First I am so sorry for your loss. You were blessed by a visit from your son. It was not a dream, your son came to visit you when you were in a type sleep that makes this possible. Seth perhaps did somehow know of the plan of Jesus.
After my uncle Bill died he visited 3 people in there dreams the same night. His message was the same to all 3 people. I am not in pain now, I am in a better place. Do not feel such sorrow for me. My eyes still well with tears when I remember all of this. Uncles granddaughter was one of whom he visited in her dreams. She awoke from the dream and ran and got in bed with her mother and said, "it wasn't a dream Mom, he was there". This was my experience also.
I also was visited by a someone else in my dreams who died in a auto accident. "Tell Dad I am love him" was most of what I remember of the message. This was from a person I did not know well at all. I have never told the father of the message which I was suppose to give him. The feeling after I awoke was that I was visited by this person and it was real and not a dream. A young lady had a fight with her father and in the next few days he was killed when his suv was hit by a semi. She cried and told her grandmother "I wish I had one more chance to tell daddy I loved him." I would say to her, "go to your daddy's grave site, kneel down and believe your Daddy can hear you when you now tell him, "Daddy I love you."

[Jack]

So amana1man, the above pertains to "creation or accident" how?
As an argument for any topic, I'd say what goes on in the mind ought to stay in the mind. We know too little about dreams, hallucinations, etc. to make any judgements on what they might mean.

[amana1man]

Quote by: Isherwood So amana1man, the above pertains to "creation or accident" how? As an argument for any topic, I'd say what goes on in the mind ought to stay in the mind. We know too little about dreams, hallucinations, etc. to make any judgements on what they might mean.

I feel this adds a vote to the creation.
In the field of psychiatry they explain dream such as this as the way the human body creates dreams to help deal with death. I feel this is not so. Yes science knows so little of the human mind and its potentials that for anyone to say ya or na would be spectulation.

[Jack]

But if dreams are scattered memories of waking thoughts and observations, without any meaning, wouldn't that argue against intelligent design? If we were designed, shouldn't every part of us, every function, make sense and serve a purpose?

[LetThereBe]

[quote=Boetie]Why would something so powerful as a god that created the earth be jealous of an imaginary god? It would make more sense that the creator god is jealous of an actual god.]

hmmm, I would think that God could just wants credit where credit is due. It wouldn't piss you off if you rescued a bunch of people from a land where they were slaves through a series of supernatural plagues, and then they take a bunch of gold, make a cow, and say IT saved them? Man, it just shows what a bunch of ingrates they are! Similarly, if He created us, and we bow down to a rock or a stick saying it is our creator, I would expect Him to be a tad unhappy about that.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: |Chris| Before we could fly into the sky some people thought Heaven was in the clouds. I like to think we have moved beyond that.

Humans aren't as smart as you think. As long as I can remember I've been hearing "the end is coming". A "guiding hand" will end millions of years of existance because of George Bush [so let it be written, so let it be done]. Yeah... don't hold your breath too long.

There is no intelligence in nature. I saw a documentary I saw about the astonomer Shoemaker. He was credited with witnessing the first crash between stellar bodies (the comet that crashed into Jupiter). Think about that, the first time EVER such a thing had been seen, and it was 10yrs ago.

What "plan" would cause two particles of dust to collide at all? You could be killed from a burst appendix, unless you were lucky enough to have access to doctors to save you. What is intelligent design about these things? Get over yourselves, we're not that important.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: amana1man Des Moines Sunday Register August 14, 2005 A three year old died Sept, 29 2003 in a landscaping accident. After the death of her son the mother has a dream. In the dream she hugs the son and the son says "I love you". She said something was left behind from the dream. The almost real sensation of holding Seth in her arms. She said a few weeks before Seth died he asked, "Mom, will I go to heaven?" His mom said, "not one second before Jesus is ready for you." "When will he be reasdy for me?" Seth asked. His Mom said, "not for a long, long time." Later Seth told his brother what his mother had told him. He said "when Jesus is ready for me I will go to heaven." He than added "I think he is ready for me now." When Seth died he was not looking where he was going, he was looking up at the sky even though there were no clouds or birds in the sky. Perhaps Seth saw something else. I would say to Seth's mother this. First I am so sorry for your loss. You were blessed by a visit from your son. It was not a dream, your son came to visit you when you were in a type sleep that makes this possible. Seth perhaps did somehow know of the plan of Jesus. After my uncle Bill died he visited 3 people in there dreams the same night. His message was the same to all 3 people. I am not in pain now, I am in a better place. Do not feel such sorrow for me. My eyes still well with tears when I remember all of this. Uncles granddaughter was one of whom he visited in her dreams. She awoke from the dream and ran and got in bed with her mother and said, "it wasn't a dream Mom, he was there". This was my experience also. I also was visited by a someone else in my dreams who died in a auto accident. "Tell Dad I am love him" was most of what I remember of the message. This was from a person I did not know well at all. I have never told the father of the message which I was suppose to give him. The feeling after I awoke was that I was visited by this person and it was real and not a dream. A young lady had a fight with her father and in the next few days he was killed when his suv was hit by a semi. She cried and told her grandmother "I wish I had one more chance to tell daddy I loved him." I would say to her, "go to your daddy's grave site, kneel down and believe your Daddy can hear you when you now tell him, "Daddy I love you."

What do you want us to debate about this? Who cares about this crap. It happens every day. Feel sorry then get over it. Just like every theist you are obsessed with unlikely probability occuring in your favor. What you said proves nothing.

[amana1man]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 What do you want us to debate about this? Who cares about this crap. It happens every day. Feel sorry then get over it. Just like every theist you are obsessed with unlikely probability occuring in your favor. What you said proves nothing.

When we die do our bodies die but our soul lives on or we just dead. Someone who does not believe in God and finds themselves with a short time to live often askes for forgiveness of there sins that they may find the doorway to heaven open. The human mind can not deal with death as the end of life. A person needs the thought of heaven as a way of dealing with death. If there is no God and heaven what have we lost by believing in him? We were created by design and there is a God. The God can be called many names as told by the red man but he is the same God. One thing I have yet to figure out, when DNA tests were done on thousands of people and the place of birth of man was said to be Africa and it was said the black African man's ancester was the same man as the white, red and yellow man ancester it makes no sense. Osteology has said that differences in the bone structure of a black man and a white man are pronunced enought that a positive determination can be made as to the race of a skeleton. A black African has an different facial structure as reported by some tv show, cold case files I think. Most likely was fiction to make the show. They were talking about the rhinion or the elongated rectangular bone that forms the bridge of the nose.
I do not know where to believe this or not.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: amana1man When we die do our bodies die but our soul lives on or we just dead. Someone who does not believe in God and finds themselves with a short time to live often askes for forgiveness of there sins that they may find the doorway to heaven open. The human mind can not deal with death as the end of life. A person needs the thought of heaven as a way of dealing with death. If there is no God and heaven what have we lost by believing in him? We were created by design and there is a God. The God can be called many names as told by the red man but he is the same God. One thing I have yet to figure out, when DNA tests were done on thousands of people and the place of birth of man was said to be Africa and it was said the black African man's ancester was the same man as the white, red and yellow man ancester it makes no sense. Osteology has said that differences in the bone structure of a black man and a white man are pronunced enought that a positive determination can be made as to the race of a skeleton. A black African has an different facial structure as reported by some tv show, cold case files I think. Most likely was fiction to make the show. They were talking about the rhinion or the elongated rectangular bone that forms the bridge of the nose. I do not know where to believe this or not.

You sound young and inexperienced in human history. For all of your opinions, I didn't see one bit of evidence. Snapshot a picture of the creator for me and send my regards. I'll believe it when I see it. Or otherwise, what's the point? To see him when your in heaven? Why not do whatever you want, then at the last minute start believing. That's the cool thing about Christians, you can call yourself one, but then not have to do anything.

If only you believed in evolution, would all of these pieces fit to make a brilliant puzzle.

[Jack]

The human mind can not deal with death as the end of life. A person needs the thought of heaven as a way of dealing with death.

Some do, not all. My mind can deal quite easily with the idea that death is the final and complete end to my life.

Why do some people have to invent a future beyond death for humans only? Shouldn't every living thing have that option if it were real? Or is your god so cruel and/or prejudice that he's willing to ignore 99% of his creation on this planet and only provide for the humans?