What will it take to disprove religion forever?

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Starboy The thing I have to wonder is why do you care at all? Why bother engaging in any debate if you have no method of preferring one explanation over another? Starboy

I do prefer certain explanations to others.

However, my preferences are just a personal choices I make. They have no relavence to any other choice any other person makes nor any relavence to what he true explanations are.

Really, the true explanation is sort of irrelevent to the search for it. Different and conflicting theories give us something to talk about at the water cooler and something to fight for.

If we simply woke up one day and had the exact true explanation of every possible question, what would be the purpose of living?


As for why I debate: entertainment.

[Gorgo]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 The things that provoke those feelings in each of us is dependant on the environment.

I see. So, I can never learn to fear things, and if I have a fear of flying, I'll always have a fear of flying because my daddy's nephew's uncle had a fear of flying.

[Starboy]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 I do prefer certain explanations to others. However, my preferences are just a personal choices I make. They have no relavence to any other choice any other person makes nor any relavence to what he true explanations are.

So? Big deal. So tman_ndsu08 has a personal preference. What is there to debate? What is so entertaining about that? As far as I can tell you do not actually think much of anything other than others have no business making a preference using a criterion other than yours.

Starboy

[Gorgo]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Respected by who?

http://www.fumento.com/biography.html

What are your credentials?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 First of all, yes, you are afraid of death. Maybe not right now sitting in your nice office chair, but when your time comes, you will be afraid. Every human does this, so it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Sorry, but you're wrong. I've been about as close as you can get to it (heart surgery), and I went in with no fear. Why? Because I suspect that there is something we go on to after this life. I'm actually very curious about it. Not an organized religion thing, it's just that I don't believe that anything in the universe, even our being here, ever happens by accident.

Quote by: Starboy Now if you don’t give a shit and only seek a psychic teddy bear then such supernatural beliefs make perfect sense. You should learn to suck your thumb while you are at it. You will get even more comfort out of it.

When you decide to participate in a rational discussion and leave the ridicule and insults out, I'll respond to you.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 There is plenty of evidence that the big bang happened and some evidence to show what probably happened during it. There is no evidence that shows that the big bang proves that universe was created or not.

IMHO, you are absolutely correct.

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 They accelerate infinitely from an infinitely small chain of particles. Do you understand that is something has a constant growth, then it grew from a smaller and smaller size. The universe can be tracked back to this small size infinitely far.

Then why isn't the earth getting bigger?

Quote by: Gorgo Right. People don't feel that they're worth very much, so they create fantasy worlds which temporarily make them feel better. They're one of god's children and everyone else is going to Hell. Doesn't last long though. Like drug addiction, this requires a constant fix, and the underlying belief that one isn't worth very much still exists.

How do you know what people feel?? What evidence do you have for any of these claims?

Quote by: Gorgo Emotions have nothing to do with reality.

Yeah, right. Hate, love, anger, fear, depression, grief, anxiety, panic, jealousy, none of those are any part of reality.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Zeebadee When you decide to participate in a rational discussion and leave the ridicule and insults out, I'll respond to you.

If that were the only sentence in the post you would have a point but there was more there that you just chose to ignore and instead you picked out the conclusion as if there were no rational reason for saying it. Such tactics are dishonest.

Starboy

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Joe Kose I agree, Christopher, your post at the beginning of page 11 is gibberish.

Yes, you're very clever. Did you think of that on your own?

CJF

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Gorgo Emotions rational. This is an irrational statement. Emotions have nothing to do with reality.

I am Gorgo. I am a computer. I can process information: 110100001010001010000000

Blah...

Christopher J. Freeman

[Starboy]

Quote by: CJFreeman I am Gorgo. I am a computer. I can process information: 110100001010001010000000 Blah... Christopher J. Freeman

Freeman you forgot to say, 'Naaahhh nah nah nahhhhhhh nahhhhhhh' Why bother posting if all you can reply with is a put down. If you must do it at least post something rational with it. This is supposed to be a debate.

Starboy

[Gorgo]

Quote by: Zeebadee How do you know what people feel?? What evidence do you have for any of these claims?

What they tell me. You're telling me that you don't really want to engage in intelligent discussion.

[Joe Kose]

Quote by: CJFreeman I am Gorgo. I am a computer. I can process information: 110100001010001010000000 Blah... Christopher J. Freeman

Yes, you're very clever. Did you think of that on your own?

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Starboy Freeman you forgot to say, 'Naaahhh nah nah nahhhhhhh nahhhhhhh' Why bother posting if all you can reply with is a put down. If you must do it at least post something rational with it. This is supposed to be a debate. Starboy

Oh, you're one to lecture me on being rational, and not putting others down, Starboy. Pot calling the kettle black? Yeah. Besides, I made a good post on page 11 that should serve to render a lot of the most recent posts nonsense. Read it yet?

Christopher J. Freeman

[Joe Kose]

Quote by: CJFreeman Oh, you're one to lecture me on being rational, and not putting others down, Starboy. Pot calling the kettle black? Yeah. Besides, I made a good post on page 11 that should serve to render a lot of the most recent posts nonsense. Read it yet? Christopher J. Freeman

I read it. Please refer to post #123.

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Joe Kose I read it. Please refer to post #123.

Oh, I read #123, Jose. All I can say is that you are capable of reading, but not comprehending. The post is not difficult, so you may want to lower your expectations of yourself if you can't grasp its basic premise: the law of non-contradiction. Otherwise you'll be batting at Chimera's and windmills, all the while thinking you're a great hero.

Christopher J. Freeman

[Starboy]

Quote by: CJFreeman Thanks for the offer, Isherwood. Being a theist, I have to say that I cannot accept your offer because it's not much of an offer; that is, it amounts to nothing. Here's why: The Paradox of the Stone, and the idea you listed as "Along the [same] lines", are questions designed to trap the person being asked in a contradiction. That is, the person answering either has to contradict their beliefs, or fail to answer because they don't know. I say the person who contradicts their beliefs is worse off than the person who fails to answer, because the person who fails to answer has at least been consistent with the logic of the question: namely, that it is a senseless, gibberish-like question, and is therefore unanswerable. God can do things we don't understand; that's a given. This is so, most likely because of those things' boggling complexity. But this is not at all the same as saying there are things that God cannot do because we don't understand them. More, it is not a breach of logic to ask God to do something beyond our understanding because it implies the principle of that things' doability, and is hence doable by an all-knowing, all-powerful God. Conversely, to ask God to Thus, both your question about God's ability to cause himself not to exist, and the inane question about God creating a rock he cannot lift, are questions formulated in contradiction, and amount to gibberish. The very words of the question cancel each other out. It's like asking: Can God, the most powerful of all things, make a situation that is in every respect more powerful than himself? Or, if you like: You may as well ask, "Can God blah-blah-blah, and do-dee-do-dee-do?" It would be just as effective due to its total lack of reference to anything referable. It's simple a string of words failing to mean anything in particular. Cheers! Christopher J. Freeman

Is the post you are referring to?

Starboy

[Joe Kose]

Quote by: CJFreeman Oh, I read #123, Jose. All I can say is that you are capable of reading, but not comprehending. The post is not difficult, so you may want to lower your expectations of yourself if you can't grasp its basic premise: the law of non-contradiction. Otherwise you'll be batting at Chimera's and windmills, all the while thinking you're a great hero. Christopher J. Freeman

Well my name is Joe Kose, not Jose, so all I can say is that you aren't even capable of reading. (Let alone comprehending--but that goes without saying from your post on the top of page #11.)

See isn't this fun? I've sunk to your level, by merely copying your one-liner insults.


Cheers!

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Starboy If that were the only sentence in the post you would have a point but there was more there that you just chose to ignore and instead you picked out the conclusion as if there were no rational reason for saying it. Such tatics are dishonest. Starboy

I merely used the last couple of lines of this post to illustrate my point. Virtually every one of your posts is rife with ridicule, insults, and uncivil characterizations. Such tactics are dishonest.

[CJFreeman]

Quote by: Joe Kose Well my name is Joe Kose, not Jose, so all I can say is that you aren't even capable of reading. (Let alone comprehending--but that goes without saying from your post on the top of page #11.) See isn't this fun? I've sunk to your level, by merely copying your one-liner insults. Cheers!

Nice try. I don't need you to moralize to me. Take your silliness somewhere else.

[Joe Kose]

Quote by: CJFreeman Nice try. I don't need you to moralize to me. Take your silliness somewhere else.

Ummm, I didn't moralize. (Do even you know what the word means?) I was responding as you do--so if you find fault with me, you likely find it within yourself. ( Or may maybe not, due to those comprehension problems I mentioned earlier.)

Next...

[Starboy]

Quote by: Zeebadee I merely used the last couple of lines of this post to illustrate my point. Virtually every one of your posts is rife with ridicule, insults, and uncivil characterizations. Such tactics are dishonest.

If you have a better reason for preferring god explanations other than it gives you comfort then present it. You have been asked for it on at least one occasion with no response. If you had another reason then you have not presented. It is dishonest to not own up to your actual reasons just because you do not like what they imply about you. If you were honest it should not bother you to admit that you prefer god explanations because they give you comfort. And it should not then bother you at all if I make the constructive suggestion that sucking your thumb will increase your comfort.

Starboy