Who we are in reality and at what point of time in life we become that ?

[Kuldeep]

Lot has been said under the topic of "Religion and Philosophy". By the way HOW MUCH WE KNOW ABOUT OURSELVES ???? who are we? Where from our thought starts? What thought we would come to our mind say after half an hour? What is our scope of existance as compared to earth, universe or say so called God? While replying a post on the thread "Before birth, where were we?" I have tried to explain re-incarnation theory using some extra ordinary memory of people, who have narrated their old birth's incidents which on confirmation were found to be cent percent correct beyond doubt.

I have also debated on thread : Does life begin at conception? I think it does: in which Pale RIder has apparently won the race since, nobody could challenge him with certainity fertilized egg and normal egg are not having same type of life. If ordinary egg would not have life, it won't be able fertilize. If sperm is not healthy having particular propery of life, again it won't be able to fertilize the egg. Here I would like to again raise the question is there really different type of life in Egg, Sperm and the fertilized Egg?

Concludingly it is very much worth knowing that "What we call ourselves as we" is that something present in egg, sperm, fertilized egg or enters later during partial development of fetus. If so, at what point of time such feeling of separate identity comes to fetus. I want to amply clear that I am not talking of Biological Life, but existance of Self, what we call as we!!!!!!!!! So that we could think of making stem cell leagal and useful for medical science an humanity!!!!!

I want everybody's views after rising above religion, faith, may be even above science. I think, if you would ask your inner self cooly after meditation and cocentration, you would get correct answer. Above science because science won't be able to prove or even disprove the old birth's memory's in certain cases, as pointed in my other post on different threads.

[Technosoul]

Relative to reincarnation concepts the self is the experiencer not the experience. It is kind of a phylosophy rather then a matter of religious faith. In a sense we are the observer rather then the feeling & thinking (mind and body) aspect of life.

Later, perhaps I can explore more about that anonymous apsect of selfhood.

But that would be a good jumping off point on this topic, I believe.

Technosoul.

[Technosoul]

At what moment during our growth do we honestly comprehend the "self". Some sooner then others, some never at all. Like the biblical "theif in the night" we cannot determine at what point or "time" we can personally become enlightened about the reality of self. And likewise it is really not a learned concept or something having to do with biological facts.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul At what moment during our growth do we honestly comprehend the "self". Some sooner then others, some never at all. Like the biblical "theif in the night" we cannot determine at what point or "time" we can personally become enlightened about the reality of self. And likewise it is really not a learned concept or something having to do with biological facts.

I think you have wrongly taken absloute meaning of Self' as its enlightment. What I meant is that at what we point of time, we become a separate identity, separate feeling of existence, having EGO that we exist. I remember, somebody on the thread "Does life begins at conception or at birth" cautioned me that I am talking of consciousness, but not about life. He confirmed life begins at the conception, but consciousness begins as late as three or four years of age i.e. when it remembers incidents in later part of his life. He meant, consciousness starts only from the ealiest point of incident one remembers in his life. I do not agree with this statement. The reason being a child of say between the age of 2 to 8 months has feeling he/she exists. The child can diffentiate between mother and unknown person. Even younger than two months child also has separate identity. When it is hungry, it weeps while; when its mothers feeds, it becomes silent. It is obvious when child would grow it won't remember those incidents, but it does not in no way mean that it was not a separate person at that time. I want to know at what point of time this separate indentity in the child is developed. My feeling is that it is not at the start, just at the point fertilisation of egg with sperm, but after certain development of fetus. Has science been able to find out???? But, as said in opening post of this thread that Hindu & Islam mythology believe, it is around completion of 1st trimister of pregnancy. I have simplified it to "when fetus starts its independent movement; or mother feels the first kick". however, it is confirmed that it is not at the time of birth. :confused:

If my statement could be proved someow, then Stem Cell Research could be made legal for the benefit of humanity and a most helpful tool with medical science :)

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Kuldeep I think you have wrongly taken absloute meaning of Self' as its enlightment. What I meant is that at what we point of time, we become a separate identity, separate feeling of existence, having EGO that we exist. I remember, somebody on the thread "Does life begins at conception or at birth" cautioned me that I am talking of consciousness, but not about life. He confirmed life begins at the conception, but consciousness begins as late as three or four years of age i.e. when it remembers incidents in later part of his life. He meant, consciousness starts only from the ealiest point of incident one remembers in his life. I do not agree with this statement. The reason being a child of say between the age of 2 to 8 months has feeling he/she exists. The child can diffentiate between mother and unknown person. Even younger than two months child also has separate identity. When it is hungry, it weeps while; when its mothers feeds, it becomes silent. It is obvious when child would grow it won't remember those incidents, but it does not in no way mean that it was not a separate person at that time. I want to know at what point of time this separate indentity in the child is developed. My feeling is that it is not at the start, just at the point fertilisation of egg with sperm, but after certain development of fetus. Has science been able to find out???? But, as said in opening post of this thread that Hindu & Islam mythology believe, it is around completion of 1st trimister of pregnancy. I have simplified it to "when fetus starts its independent movement; or mother feels the first kick". however, it is confirmed that it is not at the time of birth. :confused: If my statement could be proved someow, then Stem Cell Research could be made legal for the benefit of humanity and a most helpful tool with medical science :)

Untill you can successfully read the thoughts of others using a machine, no one will ever know. It's like trying to find the first thought that a person has. You can't mindread a person, let alone a baby.