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Prometheus · Jul 14, 2005, 03:32 pm

In my view, supernatural is merely an occurance that cannot be axplained with current scientific knowledge.

For example, god is supernatural. If we had proof of his existance, he would no longe be supernatural.

Athena · Jul 15, 2005, 12:50 pm

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In theory it would be possible for someone to obtain all the powers of God through scientific means.
Does this make them God? If you put two identical items beside each other that are indistinguishable are they not the same?

Our human brains are far too limited to come any where near close to full God consciousness. Our computers are even less capable than our brains and a best can hold information, but not the capicity for creating life. Explain a theory that make it possible for someone to obtain all the powers of God?

Athena · Jul 15, 2005, 01:01 pm

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After Adam and Eve partook of the knowledge God said "now they have become like us".

So that biblical "prediction" would be fulfilled. Espeically if the knowledge of good and evil is really the knowledge about life and death. ( aka - genetics and dna research).

Whatcha think?
Technosoul.

I like the Greek version of this story much better. That is the story of Pandora of the Box.
A god gave the first man fire and Zeus was afraid that with the technology of fire, man would learn all other technologies and revival the gods. He could not undo the fact that man had fire, but he figured out to slow do the process of man rivally the gods. He gave the first man, the first woman and a wedding gift. When Pandora opened the gift out flew all the miseries. Hope was the last to fly. Well now, we have come to the point where man can rival the gods. We are technological smart but unwise.

My we are unwise! Our young think technology is the last word in everything and are not seeking wisdom. Some do turn to the bible for some wisdom, but this more out of superstition than a desire for wisdom. If they were serious about wisdom, they would be more literate and especially more knowledgible about western and eastern philosophy.

Prometheus · Jul 15, 2005, 02:48 pm

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Our human brains are far too limited to come any where near close to full God consciousness. Our computers are even less capable than our brains and a best can hold information, but not the capicity for creating life. Explain a theory that make it possible for someone to obtain all the powers of God?

This probably isn't what you are looking for, but...

Mormon doctorine teaches that we all have the ability to become gods. Since we are children of god, we have the ability to grow up to become like him. This life is just a brief phase in our eternal development into gods.

This isn't really a theory so much as a point of faith, but it is my belief. If this belief supernatural - you bet. Science cannot explain or verify it - it's supernatural.

Dirty Name · Jul 15, 2005, 02:54 pm

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In that case the so called "supernatural being" is really an all-natural being. But what ever it is, to quote the movie that had two governors in it, "If it bleeds we can kill it."

I have to admit, Starboy, that this is one of the greatest posts I have ever laid eyes upon.

Technosoul · Jul 17, 2005, 02:05 am

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Our human brains are far too limited to come any where near close to full God consciousness. Our computers are even less capable than our brains and a best can hold information, but not the capicity for creating life. Explain a theory that make it possible for someone to obtain all the powers of God?

In theory, if you eat from the tree of knowledge between good and evil then you could become like the gods.

Starboy · Jul 17, 2005, 11:51 am

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In theory, if you eat from the tree of knowledge between good and evil then you could become like the gods.

Don't forget the tree of life as well. I guess the ancient idea of a god was a being that had infinite knowledge and life.

Starboy

Technosoul · Jul 18, 2005, 01:32 pm

We have what is called the collective historical momentum. Which is different then our personal goals and so forth.

That momentum is motivated by an attraction towards an objective (gravity towards). No matter what happen during our individual ages and alternations in cultures, humanity in a collective sense will continue to more towards that manifested destiny (a momentum independant of choice or free will).

In this theory the future "goal" is the cause of the effects that have unfolded through out history and today. RE: cause and effect.

And so you are by now wondering "what the heck is technosoul saying now? What is that magnet that motivates all human activity via their consciousness?"

As far as I can now determine we have three future goals that attact human attention and cause us to move towards them - which can manifest in our mind as desire.

(1). The desire to know as much as we can about this universe and all that is in it. Real or unreal.
(2). The desire for eternal life and to be healthy enough to live it without needless limitations upon our self.
(3). The desire to fly - which symoblizes both liberty and freedom, as well as more practical applications such as airplanes and our space program.

That is what humanity has been working towards attaining through out history even if many people do not personally know about it nor are even interested in such matters, for they are pulled along that journey by the "few" who in fact influence the momentum of the majority.

For lack of any other term. We call that "attractor" the "illuminated object at the end of time".

This momentum is something that humans are involved in which makes us somewhat different then other creatures. Knowing those future goals that effect and attract human acitivity as a whole can give us a better understanding about what is happening and why. A starting point in the avenues of phylosophy about human motive - both scientifically as well as spiritually speaking.

Technosoul.

ibm · Jul 20, 2005, 11:43 am

is there any force that's beyond human being on earth? you bet. is it supernatural? of course not. it's all natural (i.e., of nature).

we human beings and this universe have to "come from somewhere"? well, fine. but does the fact that humans can't answer the question of "where do we come from?" or don't even have the imagination for it lead to "god (or a "supernatural being") created all this"? if one sees it as one of the answers (a lazy and silly one may i add), that's fine; if one holds it as truth, it's irrational; if one holds it as truth and tries to force it onto others, it's definitely wrong and s/b stopped.

Technosoul · Jul 21, 2005, 11:10 am

In most eastern beliefs all life unfolds from within - the micro point that is too tiny to even be concidered as matter or physical - unfolds or expands from that no-thingness into everything-ness and then also reproduces those parts of the everything's "parts".

In western beliefs we did not unfold but rather were "molded" or "formed" by some external "force" that is on the "outside" of the items being created.

So you have the older idea that we unfold from a smaller dimentional point - growing from the "inner" and adding to the "outer". And the view that some greater force in some external dimentional place is controlling growth by creating it and manipulating it - the Outer controlling what is within the universe.

Jul 14, 2005, 03:32 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	In my view, supernatural is merely an occurance that cannot be axplained with current scientific knowledge. For example, god is supernatural. If we had proof of his existance, he would no longe be supernatural. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

Jul 18, 2005, 01:32 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	We have what is called the collective historical momentum. Which is different then our personal goals and so forth. That momentum is motivated by an attraction towards an objective (gravity towards). No matter what happen during our individual ages and alternations in cultures, humanity in a collective sense will continue to more towards that manifested destiny (a momentum independant of choice or free will). In this theory the future "goal" is the cause of the effects that have unfolded through out history and today. RE: cause and effect. And so you are by now wondering "what the heck is technosoul saying now? What is that magnet that motivates all human activity via their consciousness?" As far as I can now determine we have three future goals that attact human attention and cause us to move towards them - which can manifest in our mind as desire. (1). The desire to know as much as we can about this universe and all that is in it. Real or unreal. (2). The desire for eternal life and to be healthy enough to live it without needless limitations upon our self. (3). The desire to fly - which symoblizes both liberty and freedom, as well as more practical applications such as airplanes and our space program. That is what humanity has been working towards attaining through out history even if many people do not personally know about it nor are even interested in such matters, for they are pulled along that journey by the "few" who in fact influence the momentum of the majority. For lack of any other term. We call that "attractor" the "illuminated object at the end of time". This momentum is something that humans are involved in which makes us somewhat different then other creatures. Knowing those future goals that effect and attract human acitivity as a whole can give us a better understanding about what is happening and why. A starting point in the avenues of phylosophy about human motive - both scientifically as well as spiritually speaking. Technosoul.

Jul 20, 2005, 11:43 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
ibm Igneous Magma Posts: 672	is there any force that's beyond human being on earth? you bet. is it supernatural? of course not. it's all natural (i.e., of nature). we human beings and this universe have to "come from somewhere"? well, fine. but does the fact that humans can't answer the question of "where do we come from?" or don't even have the imagination for it lead to "god (or a "supernatural being") created all this"? if one sees it as one of the answers (a lazy and silly one may i add), that's fine; if one holds it as truth, it's irrational; if one holds it as truth and tries to force it onto others, it's definitely wrong and s/b stopped.

Jul 21, 2005, 11:10 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	In most eastern beliefs all life unfolds from within - the micro point that is too tiny to even be concidered as matter or physical - unfolds or expands from that no-thingness into everything-ness and then also reproduces those parts of the everything's "parts". In western beliefs we did not unfold but rather were "molded" or "formed" by some external "force" that is on the "outside" of the items being created. So you have the older idea that we unfold from a smaller dimentional point - growing from the "inner" and adding to the "outer". And the view that some greater force in some external dimentional place is controlling growth by creating it and manipulating it - the Outer controlling what is within the universe.