Christians Supporting Gay Marriage

[Savant]

If civil unions became the option that offered equality to all families, my wife and I would get a divorce in a heartbeat! It would actually be a very romantic ordeal...

(technicly marriage has been altered to prevent gay marriage. For or against - both options involved altering "marriage". I love that conservatism so often mean preserving things the way they never were,,, Anyhow, if the meaning of mariage has to evolve, I'd much rather see it take the loving path, then be altered out of spite...)

[Mr.Vicchio]

Sigh.

What inequality Belverrone? In a name? Gvie me a break would ya? Civili Union = Marriage sans the word "marriage" for legal intents and purposes. So there is no inequality. Next.

As for the word game Prometheus... why did Gay Marriage fail in ever state it's been tried via refferendum? Oh because the majority of Americans have an affinity for "marriage" and don't want it messed with.

So your plan of removing the name wouldn't fly either. So your solution is a non-solution.

I am offering a reasonable comprimise that give both sides what they want. Homosexuals want the rights and legal status of Marriage, most Americans want "Marriage" to mean a man and a woman.

Damn, why is that so freaking hard for people to understand?

There is no inequality if both Civil Unions and Marriage confer the same Rights and Legal Standing.

If you try and alter "Marriage" the public has shown time and again they won't stand for it.

So QUIT mucking with marriage and comprimise. You WON'T get people to accept Gay Marriage, and you WON'T get them to remove the term either. Get it? You're both pushing losing causes for.. what? A word? Why?

[fedfem]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I was commenting on the issue of "marriage" or Civil Unions. Pointing out, or atleast trying to, that Marriage is a man woman thing to many, and isntead of all this dicking about the issue, just give gays "civil unions" and leave the word Marriage out of it... issue solved. Both sides win, if you start messing with the definition of "marriage" it causes more problems then it solves.

Isn't is YOUR side that wants to amend the Constitution to define marriage?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yep. They want Marriage to be defined as a "Man and a Woman"

Kinda proves my point about how strongly the sentiment is to leave the definition alone.

Don't get rid of it, don't add more to it, leave it alone.

Fine.

Homosexuals want the legal status and rights of marriage. Great.

Call it civil Unions, ignore the term marriage, and you win an inroad. Gay Marriage will happen one day, but I think we are 10-15 years off. At the least. the more the Gay Activist slam Gay Marriage the more likely that amendment has of passing.

[Jack]

And the far right's desire to ban gay marriage, it has little if anything to do with the word "marriage". That's just a side issue to distract from the homophobic and ignorant fear many of them feel toward gays in general. Many legislators may make speeches praising the nuclear family, the Waltons and the Cleavers, but they have often had divorces and bad relationships of their own. They're no fools. They know they can't openly proclaim prejudice, so they make a big deal out of preserving the idealistic concept of marriage...all the while really just trying to make sure gays are kept out of sight and quiet.

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Civil Union = Marriage sans the word "marriage" for legal intents and purposes. As for the word game Prometheus... why did Gay Marriage fail in ever state it's been tried via refferendum? Oh because the majority of Americans have an affinity for "marriage" and don't want it messed with.

So you admit it's a word game. You want to ammend the constitution over word usage? I think our legislators have much more important issues than ammending our constitution so people will pronounce the same thing differently.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Isherwood And the far right's desire to ban gay marriage, it has little if anything to do with the word "marriage". That's just a side issue to distract from the homophobic and ignorant fear many of them feel toward gays in general. Many legislators may make speeches praising the nuclear family, the Waltons and the Cleavers, but they have often had divorces and bad relationships of their own. They're no fools. They know they can't openly proclaim prejudice, so they make a big deal out of preserving the idealistic concept of marriage...all the while really just trying to make sure gays are kept out of sight and quiet.

For a lot of people it has nothing to do with fear or hate. That's just a cinvient lame attack against the right.

I would be 100% behind Civil Unions, I am agains the gay marriage amendment, and I support TG persons and rights 100%.

That being said I also find myself against homosexuality based on principle, and morals. But that doesn't mean I hate, or fear them.

[Jack]

But you want me to believe there's a push to amend the constitution of the United States for no better reason, and with no more motive, than to preserve the meaning of a word?
I'm not that big of a fool.

[belverron]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio What inequality Belverrone? In a name? Gvie me a break would ya? Civili Union = Marriage sans the word "marriage" for legal intents and purposes. So there is no inequality. Next.

Words mean a lot to me. If you haven't gotten the memo, I'm majoring in literary studies. In any case, marriages and civil unions are not currently equal.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You WON'T get people to accept Gay Marriage, and you WON'T get them to remove the term either.

Well, people are stupid. Anyway, as you yourself stated, it's coming.

And well said, Isher.

[Cephus]

Quote by: RickSp I have often wondered why mainstream moderate Christians have stood by and let the fundamentalist lunatics like Dobson, Falwell and Robertson hijack the "Christian viewpoint."

Because fundamentalist lunatics like Dobson, Falwell and Robertson are all media-hounds? They have their own TV/Radio shows, are constantly hunting for attention, etc. and the media is only too happy to give it to them because controversy brings ratings.

Do you think that there will be a moderate Christian backlash against the intolerance of the fundamentalist right?

Wouldn't matter, they couldn't get their message out because moderation and being normal doesn't sell.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio For a lot of people it has nothing to do with fear or hate. That's just a cinvient lame attack against the right. I would be 100% behind Civil Unions, I am agains the gay marriage amendment, and I support TG persons and rights 100%. That being said I also find myself against homosexuality based on principle, and morals. But that doesn't mean I hate, or fear them.

It is very difficult to understand this position. As the law stands gays can already get married in a church. They are being married in churches all the time and receive "god's blessing”. But for some reason Christians do not want the government to recognize those gay marriages that already exist. And for some strange reason it has to do with their "Christian values". Why would any Christian get upset if the state recognizes gay marriages but they are not upset that those gays have already received god's blessing? Is the state now in the business of dispersing god's blessing? What is going through the minds of supernaturalists on this issue?

Starboy

[The Rock]

What church do you attend, starboy? None? Probably. Anywise, Any church that endorses Gay marriage should have their head examined, although there are apparently a lot of them. I know I live in the Bible belt, but Gee Whiz! Endorsing Gay marriage, or even Homosexuality on any level is Biblically the same as endorsing murder, and nobody does that nowadays except extremist muslims, and we're droppin bombs on them. before long we'll end up firing cruise missiles at your local church because they feel like endorsing murder. Anything else Ya'll wanna endorse? Teen pregnancy? Hey, it feels good, who cares about the bible. Praise God! No wonder people call us Hypocrites, because we are. We need a mass ethical reform or we're gonna end up as left wing as the New York Times by gosh!!!

[Jack]

I presume then, if a murderer got out of prison and wanted to get married in your church, you'd refuse him?

[belverron]

Quote by: The Rock Endorsing Gay marriage, or even Homosexuality on any level is Biblically the same as endorsing murder

Biblically, yes, if all sins are indeed equal. The difference is that there is something wrong with one on a secular level while there is not with the other.

How would you feel if Jews tried to legislate a kosher diet?

Cue Inquisitor with the "Jews are heretics" line.

[Starboy]

Quote by: The Rock What church do you attend, starboy? None? Probably. Anywise, Any church that endorses Gay marriage should have their head examined, although there are apparently a lot of them. I know I live in the Bible belt, but Gee Whiz! Endorsing Gay marriage, or even Homosexuality on any level is Biblically the same as endorsing murder, and nobody does that nowadays except extremist muslims, and we're droppin bombs on them. before long we'll end up firing cruise missiles at your local church because they feel like endorsing murder. Anything else Ya'll wanna endorse? Teen pregnancy? Hey, it feels good, who cares about the bible. Praise God! No wonder people call us Hypocrites, because we are. We need a mass ethical reform or we're gonna end up as left wing as the New York Times by gosh!!!

That is the beauty of freedom. If your chuch doesn't want to marry gays then they don't have to. But there are churches that will not only marry them but will ordain them as ministers. That is because we have freedom of religion in this country. But the funny thing about it is that what the Christians want to do has nothing to do with a church. It has to do with the county court house. What the Christians want to do is keep gays from going down to the county court house and getting the same government document as hetero couples can get. That is the exent of it. It is just insane. But these are Christians we are talking about here.

Starboy