Religious Judges

[Starboy]

Quote by: SNPete Why do you think anyone one who is religious has a questionable state of mind? Seriously, I really am curious. Please enlighten me.

Because in this day and age we do not explain reality with angels, demons, spirits, souls, sin, devils, gods or any other supernatural constructs. But for some reason the supernaturalist insist that this is still so. It is insane.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

Whatever caused the bang....I really have no idea on, but I find only one theory plausible really, thats the contract expand theory I am sure you are familiar with ie an ongoing cycle billions of years in turnaround time.

As for the edge of the universe

http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=2122034

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Starboy In Mr. Viccios point of veiw, the "conservative" point of view, you can't be a proper American and not believe in god. Starboy

That's funny, I said that?


Wow... I am pointing out that for 225 some odd years that's how it was, the secular left is trying to make religion into some kind of odd or new phenomonen on this country, when in reality, they are the minority suddenly making noise and popping up.

I never implied as to whether religion made one American or not.

[SNPete]

Quote by: Starboy Because in this day and age we do not explain reality with angels, demons, spirits, souls, sin, devils, gods or any other supernatural constructs. But for some reason the supernaturalist insist that this is still so. It is insane. Starboy

Starboy, I wasn't asking you. I was asking Samildanach.

I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

[Samildanach]

Why do you think anyone one who is religious has a questionable state of mind? Seriously, I really am curious. Please enlighten me.

Its quite simply really.....there are a series of genes coding for insanity and there also its seems is a gene (apparently) that affects whether you believe in God. I simply class the 'god gene' as being one of these insanity genes. Albeit it has a minor effect, it only causes you to believe in an implausible invisible being but there you go...you don't believe in other gods...not even in the completely plausible bisexual zebra god who lives behind the moon. so of course I think you are all a bit whacko.

[ibm]

Quote by: SNPete ... I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

this is sorrt of off the topic. but were you implying there is a difference (other than maybe going to the church on sunday vs. not) in b/w these 2 ways of living our lives? were you assuming we can still find out something after we die?

just curious.

[belverron]

Quote by: Guess Who? And so, I would pick people that would be strict constructionists. We've got plenty of lawmakers in Washington, D.C. Legislators make law; judges interpret the Constitution. And I suspect one of us will have a pick at the end of next year -- the next four years. And that's the kind of judge I'm going to put on there. No litmus test except for how they interpret the Constitution.

That is what I hate, because it's a bald-faced lie. If he's picking judges so impartially, why did the Democrats feel they had to filibuster them?

I know I'm a little off-topic, but I'm getting tired of the religious people bashing. It's unfair to say someone's mentally unsound because of religious views. I personally am pretty much an atheist, but... in a lot of ways I envy people of faith.

[SNPete]

Quote by: ibm this is sorrt of off the topic. but were you implying there is a difference (other than maybe going to the church on sunday vs. not) in b/w these 2 ways of living our lives? were you assuming we can still find out something after we die? just curious.

This is simply a philisophical statement to make people think a bit. Perhaps it might be a little crazy to say there is no God without proof.

[ibm]

Quote by: belverron ... I personally am pretty much an atheist, but... in a lot of ways I envy people of faith.

are you saying you don't have faith or a firm belief? religion is only one of them, you know.

[ibm]

Quote by: SNPete This is simply a philisophical statement to make people think a bit. Perhaps it might be a little crazy to say there is no God without proof.

why do we need any proof, believe in god or not? isn't that supposed to be a choice of each of our own? one would only need proof when trying to convince others, like in a court of law.

[lsbskins1]

Just as it is important to protect people who do not believe in God from being punished by those who do, the protection must go the other way as well. The issue should not be who is provably right or wrong between believers and non-believers, the issue should be how do we honor the rights of both without harming significantly the rights of either. That is the reason for the seperation of church and state. You can not stop a Judge from being a judge for either lack of religious belief, nor because of any particular belief. You can, however, sanction or remove a Judge who can not seperate his/her personal religious conviction from the law.

[SNPete]

Quote by: lsbskins1 Just as it is important to protect people who do not believe in God from being punished by those who do, the protection must go the other way as well. The issue should not be who is provably right or wrong between believers and non-believers, the issue should be how do we honor the rights of both without harming significantly the rights of either. That is the reason for the seperation of church and state. You can not stop a Judge from being a judge for either lack of religious belief, nor because of any particular belief. You can, however, sanction or remove a Judge who can not seperate his/her personal religious conviction from the law.

I agree with you. Judges have to be impartial.

[belverron]

Quote by: ibm are you saying you don't have faith or a firm belief? religion is only one of them, you know.

Yes. And I do know. I have an interesting family ^.^

[SNPete]

Quote by: Samildanach Its quite simply really.....there are a series of genes coding for insanity and there also its seems is a gene (apparently) that affects whether you believe in God. I simply class the 'god gene' as being one of these insanity genes. Albeit it has a minor effect, it only causes you to believe in an implausible invisible being but there you go...you don't believe in other gods...not even in the completely plausible bisexual zebra god who lives behind the moon. so of course I think you are all a bit whacko.

Seems odd that we should have a god gene. Why do you suppose that is?

[Samildanach]

Same reason we have insane genes - random mutation that just happens to in some circumstances provide survival advantages the thing is in modern society those genes are no longer needed, what is needed is people who are critical thinkers and therefore those genes will within a few centuries probably go the way of the dodo especially with genetic engineering on the horizon.

[FIFI]

Quote by: Samildanach I was wondering how atheists felt about possibly going to court and having a religious judge make a decision to judge them guilty or innocent. I mean really if a judge is religious surely that puts him in a questionable mental state to begin with. Couldnt you object on the basis that the person judging you is clearly of unsound mind?

Why would religion play a part in any of your charges?? That, and how / why would the judge hold the knowledge of your chosen choices / views in that area anyway?
The only time a person should worry about a judges religious veiws is in surpream court cases, and usually those are about issues, not personal cases such as assult (etc)

[Starboy]

Quote by: SNPete This is simply a philisophical statement to make people think a bit. Perhaps it might be a little crazy to say there is no God without proof.

No more crazy than saying there is no Zeus without proof or the Easter Bunny or Shiva or (name you supernatural construct here). The funny thing is that most magical thinkers can see the craziness for the supernatural constructs they do not believe in but are completely blind to it when it comes to their own supernatural constructs.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Quote by: Samildanach Same reason we have insane genes - random mutation that just happens to in some circumstances provide survival advantages the thing is in modern society those genes are no longer needed, what is needed is people who are critical thinkers and therefore those genes will within a few centuries probably go the way of the dodo especially with genetic engineering on the horizon.

That is not to say that they should be eliminated, just treated. Who knows when the magical thinkers may bring about the end of civiliation that they so eagerly await.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

True... but I thought America was shrink capital? Surely there istreatment available for any kind of addiction...alcoholism, cocaine, supernatural beings...

[Samildanach]

Actually I justthought of something.If a guy goes round murdering innocents and then in court pleads insanity because God told me to,what is the likely result? Also would you want a religious judge on the case or not?