Is the Bible only a half TRUTH?

[Athena]

When did God change his mind on this?

Leviticus 39 "And in case your brother grows poor longside you and he has to sell himself to you, you must not use him as a worker in slavish service. 40 He should prove to be with you like a hired laborer, like a settler. He should serve with you till the Jublee year. 41 And he must go out from you, he and his sons with him, and he must return to his family, and he should return to the possession of his forefathers. 42 For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. The must not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. 43 You must not tread down upon him with tyranny, and you must be in fear of your God. 44 As for your slave man and your slave girl who become yours from the nations that are round about you people, from themyou may a slave man and a slave girl. 45 And also from the sons of the settlers who are residing as aliens with you, from them you may buy, and from their families that are with you whom they had born to them in your land; and they must become your possession to time indefinite. You may use them as workers, but upon your brothers the sons of Israel, you must not tread, the one upon the other, with tyranny."

Okay this is a direct quote from God. Why did the God a Abraham think His people were different from everyone else on the planet? What we He only talking to these people and not everyone else? Where in the bible does it say it is time to give up slavery? Why don't Jews have slaves today, considering God personally said they could?

[IndieC]

God said they could, did not say they should, so where is your point? Times have changed, and it is no longer socially acceptable, so although they have been given the right to have slaves by God, they do not have slaves because it is now considered to be wrong by society.

As for Christians, they follow the teachings of Christ, who never said Christians could have slaves, but rather that everyone can be a son of God, and that God looks upon everyone in the same way. Otherwise, Gentiles would not have been converted. This way, he teaches that all men and women are equal before God, and God loves them all. Therefore none is lower than you, and you must respect everyone as you wish to be respected. Something some Christians (names will not be mentioned) have trouble dealing with.

[James]

Quote by: Prometheus When we talk about "flaws in the bible" we are discussing the KJ version. It's the one that most christian religions use. I doubt someone like James has ever read any other version. It would require an open mind and the ability to question long-held beliefs.

If I know the truth, why would I keep looking? There can only be one truth, and if I know it, then everything else must be a lie.

[James]

Quote by: Prometheus I've been on a lot of forums, and I have seen 2 ways to know when someone is losing a debate: (1) They say someone is like Hitler. (2) They start bitching about spelling.

I lose a lot of respect for someone when I find out they're so ignorant that they can't spell.

Quote by: Prometheus The apostles did the best they could. They also had a lot of personal opinion. Do you think Paul's extreme chovanism came from God? I hope not - that had better be personal opinion. The apostles were not always faithful, and we nkow they were not always led by God. Look at how they denied christ, criticized his teachings, criticized who he ate with, went back to fishing after christ died. The apostles really didn't know what they were doing. They were normal, good men relating extrordinary events that they didn't understand. They related those events through thier own biases and paridigm. Just like we all do.

Why do you call them 'good'? In the Bible, Jesus said there is but one good, that is God in heaven.
If you say the Bible has been changed from its real meaning, then how can you ever use it as part of your argument??? You say all these things that the disciples did, but at the same time you aren't telling anyone which parts of the Bible you do and don't believe!

Please, enlighten us!

[Starboy]

Quote by: James I lose a lot of respect for someone when I find out they're so ignorant that they can't spell.

It has been my experience that people who see spelling as a sign of intelligence are only intelligent at spelling.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: James Why do you call them 'good'? In the Bible, Jesus said there is but one good, that is God in heaven. If you say the Bible has been changed from its real meaning, then how can you ever use it as part of your argument??? You say all these things that the disciples did, but at the same time you aren't telling anyone which parts of the Bible you do and don't believe! Please, enlighten us!

Starboy: Zing! You are right on on that one. If I am required to make an excuse for my speling it is this: I am in a hurry, If I can convey my meaning that is good enough. I am a scientist, and the steryotypes fit: my handwriting is horrible and I don't worry about spelling. That's what spellcheck is for, and an onling forum dosent warrent pasting into Word for spellchecking. Luckily for scientists Latin is easy to spell, so we usually get our technocal words right.


James

It is obvious that the Bible has been mutated. If you fail to see this you are denying something that all Bible scholars know. Very little of the Bible is the direct word of God. This does not diminish the importance of the Bible - it is just a more accurate way to interprit it.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus Starboy: Zing! You are right on on that one. If I am required to make an excuse for my speling it is this: I am in a hurry, If I can convey my meaning that is good enough. I am a scientist, and the steryotypes fit: my handwriting is horrible and I don't worry about spelling. That's what spellcheck is for, and an onling forum dosent warrent pasting into Word for spellchecking. Luckily for scientists Latin is easy to spell, so we usually get our technocal words right.

Yup, thank the supreme being for word. Of course the supreme being is Bill Gates, I am sure that god gets its OS from Microsoft.

Starboy

[IndieC]

Actually, i think he gets his from Linux, its probably Ubuntu, since that's by far a better OS... I won't say the best, because it ain't easy to use for beginners, but i'm sure God could figure it out.

[Starboy]

So you think Torvalds is the supreme being? Nahh, for him linux was an accident, Gates made his OS on purpose with a clear purpose in mind. Linix is more for atheists whereas Windows is for supernaturalists that need a creator who has a purpose in mind for its adherents. All bow to Gates.

Starboy

[Thunder Wave]

This can't be serious. God uses Macs. TIGER

[Starboy]

Quote by: Thunder Wave This can't be serious. God uses Macs. TIGER

Who would want to bow down to Jobs?

Starboy

[belverron]

Well, I'm sure the truth of the Bible has been corrupted. As for Truth, I don't believe in it.

[asterix404]

YAY techno shit made me happy! God uses his own OS, called god. He made the universe out of godShop, and stuff. Normal people can not use the argument that whatever something says is correct. I have herd a lot of people say that the bible is correct and the word of god becasue it says so. How about this... I am the presedent of the US becasue I say so. God wrote the bible becasue god said so. NIce... doesn't work. I ignore stop lights beasue I said I could.

[Thunder Wave]

Truth is an opinion shared among a society. Christians have their truth and atheists have theirs also plus of course many others.

There is no truth that can't be debated but there is science which tries to surpass fake truths by proving them mathematically, since math can rarely lie.

[Athena]

Quote by: IndieC God said they could, did not say they should, so where is your point? Times have changed, and it is no longer socially acceptable, so although they have been given the right to have slaves by God, they do not have slaves because it is now considered to be wrong by society. As for Christians, they follow the teachings of Christ, who never said Christians could have slaves, but rather that everyone can be a son of God, and that God looks upon everyone in the same way. Otherwise, Gentiles would not have been converted. This way, he teaches that all men and women are equal before God, and God loves them all. Therefore none is lower than you, and you must respect everyone as you wish to be respected. Something some Christians (names will not be mentioned) have trouble dealing with.

Interesting argument, but who decides right or wrong, God or society? God said, ONLY HEBREWS COULD NOT BE SLAVES. I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. NOT ACCORDING TO THE OLD TESTAMENTS CAN WE ALL BE SONS OF GOD, ONLY HEBREWS ARE SPECIAL TO GOD ACCORDING TO THE OLD TESTAMENT. IT IS EXACTLY THIS BELIEF IN A GOD WHO HAS FAVORITES THAT IS WHAT IS BEHIND SO MANY OF THE WRONGS OF TODAY. Excuse me, I don't think Christians are any more favored by a God than religious myth says the Hebrews are special to God. You want you want to deny the Hebrews hold this special relationship, and claim it for yourself . So do the Muslims. I want to avoid the wars of this religious conflict, and don't believe anyone is "special" to God. When Jefferson used the word "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence, he was using a native American concept and trying to get us away from the religious wars that kept Europe torn apart and lead to superstitious witch hunts and repressed science. How about a God with no favorite people?

[Starboy]

Even according to the New Testament was god, in the form of Jesus, only interested in Jews. It is not until Saul/Paul, who never knew Jesus, does the bible express any interest in gentiles. It was not Jesus nor the apostles that founded Christianity, it was Saul. A person that has every appearance of being an opportunist.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Even according to the New Testament was god, in the form of Jesus, only interested in Jews. It is not until Saul/Paul, who never knew Jesus, does the bible express any interest in gentiles. It was not Jesus nor the apostles that founded Christianity, it was Saul. A person that has every appearance of being an opportunist. Starboy

The apostles obviously didn't konw what they were doing after Jesus was killed. I mean look, they just went back to fishing. Th epaostles were just normal guys. It's not 'till later that they realized the popularity that Christ had, and started a church.

Good observation on Saul/Paul. He was probably the only type of person that could have made the church work. On top of that, Paul taught doctorine that has no scriptural support.

[Starboy]

Isn't it funny that theists agree with atheist when they are showing the absurdity of the other guys religion?

Starboy

[asterix404]

Wow and here i thought god loved the US more then any body else. I wonder if other people say that god cares about them more... I mean who was it... Bush Snr who kept on saying that God thought the US was special? That god was behind the US in the war... and heres a fetus... yea sadams eating them over there... yea... god hates sadam, personally... how does anyone know what god likes or hates? Wasn't the old testimate written by the jews anyway... would have been bad PR to say that they were hated by god... I kinda wished the bible went into more detail about how THE GOD conquered all of the horrid pagan gods of those damn egyptions... that would have been something to see...

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Isn't it funny that theists agree with atheist when they are showing the absurdity of the other guys religion? Starboy

Well many people take thier religion too far. They assert sertainty that isn't there, and invent extra doctorine and stories that there is no documentation for.