Gods Space, time, gravity and the nature of the universe

[MerlinsByte]

Gods Space, time, gravity and the nature of the universe.

We seem to be slaves to our senses and intuition. Even the unparalleled genius of Einstine faltered when confronted with the implications of the quantum mechanical universe. Newton’s idea of the universe was different than Einstine curved space-time geometrician universe, and the curved space-time universe is different from the quantum gravitational universe. The quantum mechanical, the Newtonian, and the curved space time universe of einstine all abate, or fail in certain places and spaces and or events in our weird universe.

We perceive the past as the present moment because of our slow (compared to the speed of c or light) bio chemical brain, which move nerve impulses at relatively slow un-relativistic speeds. I feel that our brain functions are not comprised by this seemingly slow speed, but enhanced. Why?

Its my opinion that our brain and mind operate on a many levels performing simultaneous calculations, with quantum interactions being processed as well. Our brain/mind combination would not work if our nerves processed signals at light speed. Or if it did work we would be a soulless predatory creature with ungodly quick instinctive traits and reaction times.

This reality seems to be a construct that is built of our own blueprint with a deity for an architect. Science cannot answer some phil questions nor should it attempt to. Religion cannot answer some pure scientific questions nor should it attempt such a insignificant task. However I feel that religion and science will merge as one in the near future

Already many scientists are invoking god , or the concept of god to give meaning to thier hollow and unsatisfying theroys. From Hawkins (who claims to be an athiest) to Einstine, while not succumbing to admiting that they believe in god, nevertheless uses a deity based influence ,or power to illustrate a purpose to this reality.We need more than just a cold lonely non-GID universe and we have somthing more, that would be god.

I happen to believe that a GID (god or intelligent designer) is much more logical than a universe that sprang into existence from the void, and the nothing, which didn’t include space, time, gravity, or anything that we would understand...except for GID.

mb

[Samildanach]

impossible to know really...how do you know you don't go back into the real universe everytime you fall alsleep and this is just your next chapter in a never ending game designed to escape real reality...you dont because while you are in the game the game is all there is.

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Already many scientists are invoking god or the concept of god to give meaning to hollow and unsatisfying theroys. From Hawkins (who claims to be an athiest) to einstine, while not succumbing to admiting that they believe in god nevertheless uses a deity based influence or power to illustarte something more than just a cold lonely non-GID universe.

Merlin you are at it again.

I happen to believe that a GID (god or intelligent designer) is much more logical than a universe that sprang into existence from the void which didn’t include space, time, gravity, netwoinian enstnines curved space time

As if we didn't know this. So what? You can believe any dang thing you like but that don't make it so. If you have an argument you are free to present it otherwise your op is nothing more than a low grade example of magical thinking.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

I swear he takes a lot of pleasure in winding you up deliberately Starboy. :)

[MerlinsByte]

BY SAMILDANACH...impossible to know really...how do you know you don't go back into the real universe everytime you fall alsleep and this is just your next chapter in a never ending game designed to escape real reality...you dont because while you are in the game the game is all there is.

merlin ....Yes, Carl Jung had some interesting ideas of dreams and I concur with some of his fantastic conclusions ....It would seem that if one accepts religious beliefs that the dream state and the mind over the brain must be the true nature and stuff or reality as it isn't (or shouldn't be) effected by time.

mb

[Starboy]

Quote by: Samildanach I swear he takes a lot of pleasure in winding you up deliberately Starboy. :)

Perhaps, but then again he may not have the last laugh.

Starboy

[Samildanach]

Perhaps, but then again he may not have the last laugh.

True enough

[MerlinsByte]

STARBOY;

copied from top of this page... Philosophy & Religion

Gods Space, time, gravity and the nature of the universe

As if we didn't know this. So what? You can believe any dang thing you like but that don't make it so. If you have an argument you are free to present it otherwise your op is nothing more than a low grade example of magical thinking.Starboy

Magic and or some religious ritual are necessary and are integral parts of most deity based religious systems. One cannot remove ritual or magical thinking from the religious system no more that one could remove a one or zero from binary code and still hope a computer would give correct answers.

I believe that with your current mind set you may be incapable of understanding religious thought. To truly debate such in good faith doesn't require an indoctrination into any religion, however, it does require an open mind, and good faith attitude, forgive me if I am wrong but I feel that you have expressed neither in this thread. Feel free to correct me if I have misrepresented you or your intentions.

mb

[Samildanach]

As far as I am concerned you are both as guilty as each other.

[MerlinsByte]

I am trying very hard not to get anyone's panties in a wad including the often times irritating starboys.

I am pulling my wad out as I type. I was sincere in the open letter thread and real toxic anger doesn't accomplish anything other than generating more toxic anger, and the bad thing is that it further alienates the people that most need the God aid.

So, I am attempting to control my overuse of hurtful sarcasm and destructive sinful nature.....with mixed results...

mb

[Prometheus]

Quote by: MerlinsByte I am trying very hard not to get anyone's panties in a wad including the often times irritating starboys. I am pulling my wad out as I type. I was sincere in the open letter thread and real toxic anger doesn't accomplish anything other than generating more toxic anger, and the bad thing is that it further alienates the people that most need the God aid. So, I am attempting to control my overuse of hurtful sarcasm and destructive sinful nature.....with mixed results... mb

You are going to piss off Starboy regardless because you are a "dishonest" theists, so don't bother yourself over his panties.

Anyway, you bash science because you say they make suppositions and the like, and then you go on a spree of conjecture, Everything you have to say in this thread (and the nano god one) has little backing it but your own opinion. What is the point? You are putting out these ideas as if they have any more validity that any other guess. In that respect, you are doing what you berate science for.

[FIFI]

Maybe you three should just not debate over God for a week.... maybe then you'll stop the constant and thread - destructive arguements. I know its hard to walk away, but I have never been in trouble on a thread before I got into your arguements. So just inhale and stop pestering eachother.

[Prometheus]

Quote by: FIFI Maybe you three should just not debate over God for a week.... maybe then you'll stop the constant and thread - destructive arguements. I know its hard to walk away, but I have never been in trouble on a thread before I got into your arguements. So just inhale and stop pestering eachother.

I'm beginning to agree, as I stated in another thread:

I should probably grow up and stop rising to his bait, but no one else seems to be willing to call him out as the uncreative, posturing, arrogant, closed minded ass that he is. Maybe we should treat him with more kindness and understanding instead of scorn.

[mindclear]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Gods Space, time, gravity and the nature of the universe. Already many scientists are invoking god , or the concept of god to give meaning to thier hollow and unsatisfying theroys. mb

I’m not sure of ‘invoking’ but yes I see your point. I came across this on the net. Well worth a read.

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

[FIFI]

A very good point mindclear, it was a good link.

[MerlinsByte]

prometheus...Anyway, you bash science because you say they make suppositions and the like, and then you go on a spree of conjecture, Everything you have to say in this thread

Merlin writes......I apologize for the long winded nature of this response but as short as I could make it



You have a valid point. Allow me to explain myself again as I do desire a dialog and not disaffection. First I have no problem with the scientific method and feel that it is absolutely necessary for discovery. As I've said before I am a serious amateur astronomer, and a sometimes-amateur naturalist, or paleontologist I use the applied science everyday in my work.

In the past, I have worked as a professional in the academic scientific community but become disillusioned with the lifestyle after a decade of trying to adapt to the usually venomous secular intolerant attitude of these unremarkable people. After 3,000 days of rubbing elbows and picking the minds of these typically uninteresting people I knew that I was at least as intelligent as them and usually more so with the advantage of being able to think critically unbound by the chains fear that these guys and girls operated in.

The first item that generates hostility between myself and the established, published and usually tenured mainstream scientific community is the zealous anti religious current that permeates the majority of the group. This is slowly changing as scientists are realizing the true implications of space and time. The second reason that I detest mainstream science is their supercilious intolerance, which cripples the discovery process, and other execrable effects. Now When I throw out one of my weird ideas I do not hold it up (yet) and claim that this is the only way that the universe works. No this is a lottery ticket theory. There may be a 250,000,000 to one chance to one that it is right. Or the odds may be reversed. In any case if I didn't express the Idea and some pinhead published it tomorrow I would have wished that I had at least bought a ticket…er…typed it out and inflicted it upon MY peers.

Understand the difference and the rub?

God bless you and yours and even star boy


mb

[MerlinsByte]

I’m not sure of ‘invoking’ but yes I see your point. I came across this on the net. Well worth a read. http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html...t_All/Index.htm

I have bookmarked this site that and it is on my fav list for later reveiw and enjoyment. I desire that the religions of the world co exist in peace. All true religions strive for the betterment of mankind and this it the true nature of gods word.Thanks for the info.

mb