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MerlinsByte · Jun 2, 2005, 04:46 pm

God’s nanobots

God created everything that we see and interact with. The universe is designed to run on natural law with little interference outside the loop. I love the natural sciences, and god’s design is evident in the micro scale world as well as the macro scale world. This intelligent design in our construct we call a universe isn’t evident until scales are reduced to the electron microscope realm.

Look at an insect for example. It appears as mostly rounded organic shapes. Increase the magnification and these shapes take on an angular synthetic shape. The tunneling electron micrographs look like an intelligent builder actually has assembled the various parts of the insect or other living creatures that one observes.

I feel that they have been constructed or designed not by evolutionary adaptive or mutations but rather by intelligent design.When I see a squirrel or a rabbit playing, I don’t see a warm blooded mammal. I see a creature constructed for humans by an intelligent designer. Everything from the sub atomic particle to the molecular carbon based molecules in the organic life form is created by god, or by guided nature, which is the right hand man of god’s creative force.

mb

Prometheus · Jun 2, 2005, 04:57 pm

As a theist, I do believe that God got the whole universe going, but I have to disagree with your intellegent design argument.

I don't know what structures in an insect you are talking about, because you were exceedingly vaugue. If you want to describe the inherent complexity/organization of a structure, name them so we can discuss them intellegently.

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I feel that they have been constructed or designed not by evolutionary adaptive or mutations but rather by intelligent design

That's a nice opinion, but evolution has years of investigation and a totally obscene amount of evidance (more that the atomic theory for that matter) from cross-disciplinary investegators. ID has no evidance, and the only thing pointing to it is the supposed irreducible complexity of the universe. And unreducible complexity is really only a shortfall in our scientific understanding. The genetic code used to be called irreducibly complex - now we teach it in high school.

So believe what you want, neither theory can or has been proved or disproved. Just know that you are dismissing mountains of evidance for a politically motivated theory with basically no evidance.

MerlinsByte · Jun 2, 2005, 05:40 pm

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As a theist, I do believe that God got the whole universe going, but I have to disagree with your intellegent design argument.

The reason that I placed this thread in the religious category was that it was subjective. The point that I was trying to make was that on an ordinary scale all things look, well natural. But as the scale becomes magnified (say 10,000 times or more) all the flowing organic shapes are revealed to resemble a constructed nature.

As I said this is subjective and should not be construed as a scientific treatise. I plan on doing some renderings using Photoshop and Corell of tunneling electron micrographics as starting points. Would you be interested in seeing a finished piece?

I intend to illustrate the synthetic man made look of these electron micrographics, Vs the organic shapes when viewed with the naked eye.

MB

Prometheus · Jun 2, 2005, 05:51 pm

Yes I would be interested in seeing your pictures.

Above I asked for examples of what structures you are talking about. Any clarification there?

Starboy · Jun 2, 2005, 08:51 pm

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Above I asked for examples of what structures you are talking about. Any clarification there?

Don't hold your breath. Merlin is long on bullshit and doesn't posses much of anything that could pass for actual knowledge. And that is no ad hominem. It is a fact. But do not believe me. Just go look at his posts.

Starboy

asterix404 · Jun 2, 2005, 09:14 pm

God created everything and everywhere and all beings to serve man? Awsome... cool... great... why are ants eating my home? Why are there little bugs that are chewing away at my floor boards... why are there Bees that sting me when I get too close to them... why are there monkies who look strinkingly like humans not giving me martinies? Why are they doing for me... I think it's a very narrow and selfish view. As for what looks same... magnified 10000x? It loosk like atoms... and we know how they behave... and why... I look at the world and see a living breathing ever evolving organism, and I see our thoughts being based on 2000 year old information.

Starboy · Jun 2, 2005, 09:20 pm

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God created everything and everywhere and all beings to serve man? Awsome... cool... great... why are ants eating my home?

You must read carefully. To serve man. The question is, to serve man to what?

Starboy

Starboy · Jun 2, 2005, 09:25 pm

Did anyone ever see that Twilight Zone eposode that ended with the sentence, "It's a cook book!"

Starboy

MerlinsByte · Jun 2, 2005, 10:03 pm

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God created everything and everywhere and all beings to serve man? Awsome... cool... great... why are ants eating my home? Why are there little bugs that are chewing away at my floor boards... why are there Bees that sting me when I get too close to them..

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Termites are most likely eating your home but to respond your post yes we are the center of the universe. Each of us has a personal universe nearly identical to everyone else's. We are observers in our universe so everything we do influences the future of our universe, our universe is casually connected to all other universes by Quantum entanglement. So What you do in your universe does influence other universes slightly but not as much as the owner of their universe...there!

gods speed to all of you, even the usual suspects.

mb

Prometheus · Jun 2, 2005, 11:36 pm

Though your disclaimer was mildly humorous (definitely chuckle-worthey), the post that followed was etherial and not substantive enough to justify said disclaimer.

Dadoo · Jun 3, 2005, 10:21 pm

Intelligent design is often accredited in hindsight, agreed?

Most often, the proof is in the result versus the intention.

The Intelligent design will/is showing itself in it's perfection.
Planned? In some way, envisioning a Hopeful God is better, IMHO, than assuming a Vagrant God
if God itself, "Intention" manifest, exists.
If not, this may be the only existence.
Existence of this sort may be the only state.
To assume otherwise seems fanciful.

Intelligence is not an issue, when polarized against the backdrop of a seemingly painted sky brimming with suns and stars and galaxies awhirl..
To what end would knowing bring us, dear Faust?
;^)

...on and on,
Dadoo

MerlinsByte · Jun 3, 2005, 11:01 pm

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by dadoo and faust Intelligence is not an issue, when polarized against the backdrop of a seemingly painted sky brimming with suns and stars and galaxies awhirl..
To what end would knowing bring us, dear Faust?
;^)

...on and on,
Dadoo

now that was a good post...faust is weird and wonderful...

mb

Jun 2, 2005, 04:46 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
MerlinsByte BANNED Posts: 1,267	gods nanobots and guided nature God’s nanobots God created everything that we see and interact with. The universe is designed to run on natural law with little interference outside the loop. I love the natural sciences, and god’s design is evident in the micro scale world as well as the macro scale world. This intelligent design in our construct we call a universe isn’t evident until scales are reduced to the electron microscope realm. Look at an insect for example. It appears as mostly rounded organic shapes. Increase the magnification and these shapes take on an angular synthetic shape. The tunneling electron micrographs look like an intelligent builder actually has assembled the various parts of the insect or other living creatures that one observes. I feel that they have been constructed or designed not by evolutionary adaptive or mutations but rather by intelligent design.When I see a squirrel or a rabbit playing, I don’t see a warm blooded mammal. I see a creature constructed for humans by an intelligent designer. Everything from the sub atomic particle to the molecular carbon based molecules in the organic life form is created by god, or by guided nature, which is the right hand man of god’s creative force. mb

Jun 2, 2005, 05:51 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	Yes I would be interested in seeing your pictures. Above I asked for examples of what structures you are talking about. Any clarification there? Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

Jun 2, 2005, 11:36 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	Though your disclaimer was mildly humorous (definitely chuckle-worthey), the post that followed was etherial and not substantive enough to justify said disclaimer. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

Jun 3, 2005, 10:21 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Dadoo Pure Energy Posts: 378	Intelligent design is often accredited in hindsight, agreed? Most often, the proof is in the result versus the intention. The Intelligent design will/is showing itself in it's perfection. Planned? In some way, envisioning a Hopeful God is better, IMHO, than assuming a Vagrant God if God itself, "Intention" manifest, exists. If not, this may be the only existence. Existence of this sort may be the only state. To assume otherwise seems fanciful. Intelligence is not an issue, when polarized against the backdrop of a seemingly painted sky brimming with suns and stars and galaxies awhirl.. To what end would knowing bring us, dear Faust? ;^) ...on and on, Dadoo Heartbeat, the only song you will not hear until it's gone.

Jun 2, 2005, 09:14 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	God created everything and everywhere and all beings to serve man? Awsome... cool... great... why are ants eating my home? Why are there little bugs that are chewing away at my floor boards... why are there Bees that sting me when I get too close to them... why are there monkies who look strinkingly like humans not giving me martinies? Why are they doing for me... I think it's a very narrow and selfish view. As for what looks same... magnified 10000x? It loosk like atoms... and we know how they behave... and why... I look at the world and see a living breathing ever evolving organism, and I see our thoughts being based on 2000 year old information.

Jun 2, 2005, 09:25 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	Did anyone ever see that Twilight Zone eposode that ended with the sentence, "It's a cook book!" Starboy