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Gorgo · May 28, 2005, 10:21 am

Has anyone seen the movie The God Who Wasn't There or plan on buying it?

It looks like it's cheaply made. Any other comments on the movie one way or the other?

RickSp · May 28, 2005, 12:27 pm

I may check out the NY screening.

The mythology around the Christ saga is an interesting topic that doesn't get much of any discussion. Whether of not Jesus was a historical figure, the early church borrowed heavily from various other religions. I have always been intrigued by the similarity of the Christ to Mithras.

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Mithraism had many similarities to Christianity. Mithras was born of a virgin, remained celibate, his worship involving baptism, the partaking of bread marked with a cross and wine as sacrificial blood, held Sundays sacred and Mithras was born on 25th of December. Mithraist called themselves 'brother' and were led by a priest called 'father' (Pater). The symbol of the father were a staff, a hooked sword, a ring and hat.

Mithras and Mithraism

Lilith · May 28, 2005, 02:41 pm

I have never heard of this movie or seen it, but I may check it out. Sounds interesting.

I agree, Rick, about the similarity between Christ and Mithra and other central godlike figures in other religions. Can't be concidence, now can it?

jeffl · May 28, 2005, 04:33 pm

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I may check out the NY screening.

The mythology around the Christ saga is an interesting topic that doesn't get much of any discussion. Whether of not Jesus was a historical figure, the early church borrowed heavily from various other religions. I have always been intrigued by the similarity of the Christ to Mithras.

Mithras and Mithraism

The cognative structure between Christ and Mithras is absolutely compelling.

I like to go to the root of the matter. When i heard of the association, i found a two volume collection of papers at the Rutherford library called, 'Mithreic Studies,' (published in 1994 i think.) One paper in there, i forget by who, discussed the origin of mithras as coming from the structure of the ancient Iranian houshold. In that structure, mithras was the (i dunno) contract agent(?) for the father of the household; he would secure contracts with producers and manufacturers (i suppose) on behalf of the household. Interesting how that fits with the covenant between God and Abraham; hmm, like he thought he was God, and then realized He's the Son (divided, i suppose:().

Another discussed the potential for the spread of Roman mithraism as being initiated by a roman soldier, an S. Barbarus (i guess there were alot of S. Barbaruses back then, as it was a name given to barbarians who served the empire well and so were bestowed citizenship.) He'd served on the campaign against jerusalem in 70 a.d., and went home to a town on the danube at the begining of the second century. Now, i realize this is extremely speculative; but if he started 'modern' mithraism when he got home, it wouldn't have been roman mithraism; which isn't to say there wouldn't be mithraists in rome. It would still appear along the fronteir, but on the other side; and potentially with political ties to rome, likely covert.

jeffl · May 28, 2005, 04:42 pm

This is usually where it gets busy

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I found an old book in a used bookstore the other day; it was about ture theosophy, or something like that. It was published in the early twentieth century as the third edition produced specifically to introduce the lodge to India. You can see the masonic iconography around buddha sometimes.

jeffl · May 28, 2005, 06:14 pm

And i've often wondered about the origin of bullfighting; whether or not it's associated with mithraism. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

jeffl · May 29, 2005, 09:29 am

We have to talk about this issue. It is NOT reason to leave the chruch. it IS reason to take the captor captive.

jeffl · May 30, 2005, 10:43 pm

Consider: if there is an intelligent designer, and this designer does love these things s/he's designed, don't you think s/he would put a label at an appropriate place? This is the place; ironic, eh?

rez · May 31, 2005, 01:20 am

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Consider: if there is an intelligent designer,?

Ok I will consider

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and this designer does love these things s/he's designed?

yes I will consider this also, but where are you getting this information from?

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don't you think s/he would put a label at an appropriate place? This is the place; ironic, eh?

I guess so...God likes marking his creation....Did you make that trait up or did God tell us he has this trait?....

RickSp · May 31, 2005, 08:40 am

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Consider: if there is an intelligent designer, and this designer does love these things s/he's designed, don't you think s/he would put a label at an appropriate place? This is the place; ironic, eh?

Are you referring to God or Calvin Klein?

fedfem · May 31, 2005, 10:00 am

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Are you referring to God or Calvin Klein?

good one.lol

jeffl · May 31, 2005, 07:37 pm

sign of the times

Starboy · May 31, 2005, 08:11 pm

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I guess so...God likes marking his creation....Did you make that trait up or did God tell us he has this trait?....

Don't you know? God talks to jeffl and jeffl talks back.

Starboy

jeffl · May 31, 2005, 08:38 pm

Does anyone have anything to say about the topic?

It's awsome. The atheists don't want to talk about it 'cause it doesn't work for them; the 'theists' don't want to talk about it 'cause it doesn't work for them either.

May 28, 2005, 10:21 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The God Who Wasn't There Has anyone seen the movie The God Who Wasn't There or plan on buying it? It looks like it's cheaply made. Any other comments on the movie one way or the other?

May 28, 2005, 02:41 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Lilith It's my life Location: Texas Posts: 532	I have never heard of this movie or seen it, but I may check it out. Sounds interesting. I agree, Rick, about the similarity between Christ and Mithra and other central godlike figures in other religions. Can't be concidence, now can it? If you want the country to go to hell in a handbasket, then vote for the one who can drive you there blindfolded.

May 28, 2005, 04:42 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	This is usually where it gets busy. I found an old book in a used bookstore the other day; it was about ture theosophy, or something like that. It was published in the early twentieth century as the third edition produced specifically to introduce the lodge to India. You can see the masonic iconography around buddha sometimes.

May 28, 2005, 06:14 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	And i've often wondered about the origin of bullfighting; whether or not it's associated with mithraism. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

May 29, 2005, 09:29 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	We have to talk about this issue. It is NOT reason to leave the chruch. it IS reason to take the captor captive.

May 30, 2005, 10:43 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	Consider: if there is an intelligent designer, and this designer does love these things s/he's designed, don't you think s/he would put a label at an appropriate place? This is the place; ironic, eh?

May 31, 2005, 07:37 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	sign of the times

May 31, 2005, 08:38 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
jeffl Puts on her new skin Location: Edmonton, Canada. Posts: 377	Does anyone have anything to say about the topic? It's awsome. The atheists don't want to talk about it 'cause it doesn't work for them; the 'theists' don't want to talk about it 'cause it doesn't work for them either.