what use do i have for a god?

[FIFI]

I believe in a heaven, hell and high power(s) too, I just don't believe that by saying we who have not been "forgiven" in your rituals means we are wrong or lead sin-filled lives.
Sin is just a broken rule by your beliefes... whose said I' ve broken any of them or mine?

[Prometheus]

Quote by: FIFI ...whose said I' ve broken any of them or mine?

Well thats the problem you have when people start enforcing their own indivudual beleifs on someone.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus (1) When was the last time someone tried to force you to beleive in god?

It's a miracle from god! A sign from god that the godbots have gone too far!

Quote by: James You do need God. Like everyone, you have sinned. You haven't lived a perfect life, and you should know that. The only way to Heaven is to be perfect, and we can't do it alone. We need Jesus. He lived a perfect life on earth and was the sacrifice for our sins when He died on the cross. So all you must do is ask Him to forgive you; He's already paid the price. The way is ready. Are you?

This is typical of Christian coercion. Sin is yet another method of extortion. And what makes it even funnier is that when questioned they will admit that in their supernatural universe god made us as it wished and the same god created sin for mankind. And it is the same god that holds us accountable for what it has done in the first place. (Please no bullshit about "free will") And that on top of that somehow it is showing some sort of love for mankind by pretending to suffer and die for us. It is more like the plot line for Mommy Dearest. What is even funnier is that Christians have repeated this broken record over and over and over so many times that it is impossible for them to comprehend what they are saying.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy It's a miracle from god! A sign from god that the godbots have gone too far! Starboy

Whaaa? You keep making statements like this that I can tell are supposed to be sarcastic, but they seem to have no relevance to what you are responding to. What the hell are you talking about?

[FIFI]

Sometimes, I don't think he really knows... (though it is always nice to see you Starboy!! )
Though maybe James became too personal, becareful not to steryotype everyone who has a recognized "christian" religion. Not everyones a "godbot".

Prometheus, the main problem many people have with religious peoples IS there push to change our beliefes into theirs. Now, all groups are guilty of this, but org. religions the most. Do I have to give up my political views, or my lifestyle, so god will recieve me?

[Prometheus]

Quote by: FIFI Do I have to give up my political views, or my lifestyle, so god will recieve me?

Firstly, god will "receive" anyone. Getting into heaven is another matter.

By my own personal (and un-prooveable) beleif system: Probably at least lifestyle.

I don't think you are going to be punished for voting democrat or republican or whatever. Your political views are probably safe.

I do beleive that lifestyle is very important though. I don;t know how much you know about my faith, but I do beleive in dietary restrictions (drugs, alchahol), as well as celebacy outside of marriage.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus Whaaa? You keep making statements like this that I can tell are supposed to be sarcastic, but they seem to have no relevance to what you are responding to. What the hell are you talking about?

Prometheus, you wondered:

Quote by: Prometheus (1) When was the last time someone tried to force you to beleive in god?

And there it was. But you only reinforce my point that Christian godbots have been doing such things for so long that they no longer can recognize their own coercion.

Starboy

[FIFI]

Starboy, I am very confused. I don't see how Prometheus's quote has anything to do with miracals or godbots. Actually, It just makes you seem very irrational and on the defense today. Where are the thought-out answers and rebuttles I have come to expect from you???
No one can really force someone to have faith in God or anyother system. I mean, as a child they can force you, but they cannot force you to believe in what they have chosen for themselves.

[James]

Quote by: FIFI But in my mind I HAVEN'T sinned, and therefore, I have nothing to be forgivin for. I live my life based on the basic principles of good, and I take each test and task laid out before me the only ways I can at the time... If I do them correctly, nice. If not, then I learn my lesson and keep on going. There is no need to grovel on the feet of a imaginitory figure, just because I had lessons to learn in life. Everyone needs something, some hope or power to believe in, I do agree with that... but I don't have to be "ready" to recieve God, in fact, I will never be ready to have my mind changed so I can conform with everyone else. I know many who are happy without the standard "god" figure in there lives. I am happy with my self, and have achieved my inner peace. Have you?

You haven't sinned? Well, what do you consider sin?
And you say you have achieved inner peace. Kudos. The Lord is my peace.

[Starboy]

FIFI, the post by James was an example almost as if on que of a Christian trying to do what Prometheus claimed does not happen all that often. It was really very funny.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Prometheus, you wondered: And there it was. But you only reinforce my point that Christian godbots have been doing such things for so long that they no longer can recognize their own coercion. Starboy

I have a challenge for you Starboy: Find a post of mine where I was coercing someone into a religious belief.

Untill you can do that, shut the hell up about me "coercing" and "shoving" religion down you throught.

[FIFI]

Thats very fine and dandy, and inner peace is something I hope all to achieve.... but a sin to me is something like stealing food though you have enough money (greed, gluttoney), murder, rape, children crimes (etc) things like that. I do not consider not going to mass or forgetting to tithe as a sin. Nor is not believing in a ser dominational religion.
(forgive the spelling, I tend to not double check!)

[Prometheus]

Wait just a second. You know very well that I never claimed that many christians don't do that. What I have a problem is when every time someone mentions religion, you accuse them of that. And I don't do it, so get off it.

[Starboy]

Quote by: James You haven't sinned? Well, what do you consider sin? And you say you have achieved inner peace. Kudos. The Lord is my peace.

FIFI, lookie here, he is at it yet again. He can't even demonstrate the existence of heaven, hell or a soul and he is acting as if everyone must consider sin as a driving force in their lives. It is subtle coercion. I don't think that James would consider my asking him if he has seen to his karma or kismet or mojo lately. That he better be careful or awful things are gonna happen to him and all he has to do is get in right with the supernatural spirits in the way is to do what I tell him to. He can see the extortion and coercion in others but he can't see it in himself. Typical dishonest Christian double standard.

Starboy

[James]

The Bible says that whether you believe it or not, you will be judged when you die. Ignorance or refusal to believe will not save you.

There is one alternative to Heaven when you die. I think you know what I'm talking about. It will be so painful that people will grind their teeth into jagged points and stab them into their gums to try to ease the pain on the rest of their bodies, but nothing will ease it. They will seek death, but none shall find it.

[FIFI]

Quote by: Starboy FIFI, the post by James was an example almost as if on que of a Christian trying to do what Prometheus claimed does not happen all that often. It was really very funny. Starboy


Ahh. That makes more sense. For awhile it just seemed like you were just attacking him for no reason.

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy FIFI, lookie here, he is at it yet again. He can't even demonstrate the existence of heaven, hell or a soul and he is acting as if everyone must consider sin as a driving force in their lives. It is subtle coercion. I don't think that James would consider my asking him if he has seen to his karma or kismet or mojo lately. That he better be careful or awful things are gonna happen to him and all he has to do is get in right with the supernatural spirits in the way is to do what I tell him to. He can see the extortion and coercion in others but he can't see it in himself. Typical dishonest Christian double standard. Starboy

James, it is unfair to take a bad example (james) and use it to charictarize the rest of a faith. Am I not a counterexample of what you always rant about?

Would it be fair for me to assume that all atheists are assholes becuse of you? Of course not.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus I have a challenge for you Starboy: Find a post of mine where I was coercing someone into a religious belief. Untill you can do that, shut the hell up about me "coercing" and "shoving" religion down you throught.

Hey, your claim was about Christians, that is what I responded to. And it is just so deliciously funny that as if on cue James placed a post that did just that, and then he did it again!. The fact that I had to rub your face in it for you to see it only reinforces my claim that Christians as a group are oblivious to their own deceptions.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: FIFI  Ahh. That makes more sense. For awhile it just seemed like you were just attacking him for no reason.

No it dosen't, because I never claimed that christians don't do it. I claimed that I didn't.

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Hey, your claim was about Christians, that is what I responded to. And it is just so deliciously funny that as if on cue James placed a post that did just that, and then he did it again!. The fact that I had to rub your face in it for you to see it only reinforces my claim that Christians as a group are oblivious to their own deceptions. Starboy

I am not responsible for what James does, nor do his beliefs charactarize mine. Why would you rub that in my face? Would you like me rubbing the inconsistancies of a gnostic atheist in your face? No, becuase you are not one.