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Gorgo · May 9, 2005, 02:10 pm

Christian Terrorists, Abortion and Manifestos

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Double Standards in Effect
Eric Rudolph is a Christian fundamentalist. Yet the same media outlets that love to point out when a terrorist is Muslim almost universally failed to note Rudolph's extremist Christian worldview. I ran a Google News search for "Eric Rudolph" and turned up about 4,100 results. But when you add the word "Christian" to that search, and the results drop to just 81 stories.

By way of comparison, a search for "Zacarias Moussaoui" -- the so-called 20th 9/11 hijacker -- already garners about 3,870 results (his guilty plea is far more recent), but add terms like "Muslim," "Islam" and "Arab" to the search, and you find about 83 stories noting Moussaoui's religion or ethnicity. And I would venture a guess that if you asked the average American the extreme version of which religious ideology drove the 9/11 hijackers, vs. which one drove the Olympic bomber, the gap would be drastic. In fact, probably a number of people would say Rudolph was Muslim...
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Dieval · May 9, 2005, 05:09 pm

So you're worried because there are 83 stories compared to 81 stories?

Lou Minotti · May 9, 2005, 05:15 pm

Clinton went after the Christians after OKC, Gorgo. The government doesn't care what your beliefs are as long as you step to their goose. This argument is apple and oranges at best.

Gorgo · May 9, 2005, 09:41 pm

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So you're worried because there are 83 stories compared to 81 stories?

Where do you get the 83?

Gorgo · May 9, 2005, 09:42 pm

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Clinton went after the Christians after OKC, Gorgo.

How so? That's interesting, but the article isn't about Clinton, it's about the media.

Gorgo · May 10, 2005, 07:32 am

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Where do you get the 83?

Oh, Duh! You're right. What's that about?

asterix404 · May 11, 2005, 01:05 am

Of course, christians in this country are reveared. Durring the bombing of black churches by the KKK andother groups I am certain there were americans who secreatly liked it. I also think that people don't sperate the terrorists and their fealings. It's very hard for someone who sees an abortion clinic bombed and think hmm.. well.. they were killing people (if you are the 50% that are christians in the US) vs, the protestors who just don't like it. ::shrugs:: also single issue terrorism hasn't ever really been big news.

Runa216 · May 11, 2005, 10:28 pm

hmm, double standards? I think I feel another topic coming on..

but as for now, I know what you mean, look at bill oreilly (I think that's how you spell it) and every other american senator. they think it's okay to kill in Iraq for what they see as the greater good, but when the Iraquis defend home by planting suicide bombers, they call it a terrorist attack. I beg to differ, terrorism is for political or idealogical views, I don't see how political living in peace could be.

I could go on for a long time explaining a million and one reasons why America is doing the same things the germans did in the 30's, but something tells me I would be attracting a lot of anger that I cannot sheild myself from.

Runa

Trent · May 11, 2005, 11:41 pm

Hi Runa,

I was reading your last post and listening to Greenday and relaxing a bit, you know...
thinking it's half four in the morning and I should get some sleep because I'm meant to be meeting my tutor tomorrow - when suddenly that last paragraph of yours made me sit up.
Quote:
"I could go on for a long time explaining a million and one reasons why America is doing the same things the germans did in the 30's, but something tells me I would be attracting a lot of anger that I cannot sheild myself from."

I swear when I read that I felt a giddy wave of sheer happiness - not because you're right (and you are) but because it's just so good to hear someone else say it.
Thanks and you're not alone.
Maybe I can sleep now.

Trent

moustache · May 11, 2005, 11:45 pm

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I was reading your last post and listening to Greenday and relaxing a bit, you know...

greenday sucks, and that goes for all the other EMO bands.

asterix404 · May 12, 2005, 12:15 am

Since when is green day emo? And what does that have to do with anything?

moustache · May 12, 2005, 12:21 am

i think greenday is turning into EMO....

their old music used to be better..

but now they are just catering to popular demand....

now they are no better than, good charlotte, simple plan, or any other of those crappy bands...

Trent · May 12, 2005, 06:27 am

moustache's Quote:

"i think greenday is turning into EMO....their old music used to be better..
but now they are just catering to popular demand...."

Are they? Good. Means the Left must be very popular!

Apart from Led Zep, Greenday and Rage against the Machine - I don't listen to a lot of American bands-but I could put you onto some really unpopular British ones- if that's your taste. I highly recommened Eat Static.

__________________
Q: What's a conservative?
A: A liberal who skipped adolescence

Trent

Runa216 · May 12, 2005, 08:54 am

why thank you trent, I expected more hate.

Runa

Trent · May 12, 2005, 01:14 pm

***K.
Did I say Led Zep were American?
Must have been drunk.

Trent

Runa216 · May 12, 2005, 03:26 pm

led zepplin aren't american? coulda fooled me.

I like Sum 41. and no, it has nothing to do with the fact that they're from like two hurs north of where I live.

Runa

May 9, 2005, 02:10 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Double Standard for Christian Terrorists? Christian Terrorists, Abortion and Manifestos <snip> Double Standards in Effect Eric Rudolph is a Christian fundamentalist. Yet the same media outlets that love to point out when a terrorist is Muslim almost universally failed to note Rudolph's extremist Christian worldview. I ran a Google News search for "Eric Rudolph" and turned up about 4,100 results. But when you add the word "Christian" to that search, and the results drop to just 81 stories. By way of comparison, a search for "Zacarias Moussaoui" -- the so-called 20th 9/11 hijacker -- already garners about 3,870 results (his guilty plea is far more recent), but add terms like "Muslim," "Islam" and "Arab" to the search, and you find about 83 stories noting Moussaoui's religion or ethnicity. And I would venture a guess that if you asked the average American the extreme version of which religious ideology drove the 9/11 hijackers, vs. which one drove the Olympic bomber, the gap would be drastic. In fact, probably a number of people would say Rudolph was Muslim... <snip>

May 9, 2005, 05:09 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759	So you're worried because there are 83 stories compared to 81 stories? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

May 12, 2005, 12:21 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
moustache Conservative Location: P-Town, OR Posts: 446	i think greenday is turning into EMO.... their old music used to be better.. but now they are just catering to popular demand.... now they are no better than, good charlotte, simple plan, or any other of those crappy bands... Q: What's a conservative? A: A liberal who made it through adolescence.

May 9, 2005, 05:15 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	Clinton went after the Christians after OKC, Gorgo. The government doesn't care what your beliefs are as long as you step to their goose. This argument is apple and oranges at best.

May 11, 2005, 01:05 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Of course, christians in this country are reveared. Durring the bombing of black churches by the KKK andother groups I am certain there were americans who secreatly liked it. I also think that people don't sperate the terrorists and their fealings. It's very hard for someone who sees an abortion clinic bombed and think hmm.. well.. they were killing people (if you are the 50% that are christians in the US) vs, the protestors who just don't like it. ::shrugs:: also single issue terrorism hasn't ever really been big news.

May 11, 2005, 10:28 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	hmm, double standards? I think I feel another topic coming on.. but as for now, I know what you mean, look at bill oreilly (I think that's how you spell it) and every other american senator. they think it's okay to kill in Iraq for what they see as the greater good, but when the Iraquis defend home by planting suicide bombers, they call it a terrorist attack. I beg to differ, terrorism is for political or idealogical views, I don't see how political living in peace could be. I could go on for a long time explaining a million and one reasons why America is doing the same things the germans did in the 30's, but something tells me I would be attracting a lot of anger that I cannot sheild myself from. Runa

May 11, 2005, 11:41 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Trent Molten Ash Posts: 90	Hi Runa, I was reading your last post and listening to Greenday and relaxing a bit, you know... thinking it's half four in the morning and I should get some sleep because I'm meant to be meeting my tutor tomorrow - when suddenly that last paragraph of yours made me sit up. Quote: "I could go on for a long time explaining a million and one reasons why America is doing the same things the germans did in the 30's, but something tells me I would be attracting a lot of anger that I cannot sheild myself from." I swear when I read that I felt a giddy wave of sheer happiness - not because you're right (and you are) but because it's just so good to hear someone else say it. Thanks and you're not alone. Maybe I can sleep now. Trent

May 12, 2005, 12:15 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Since when is green day emo? And what does that have to do with anything?

May 12, 2005, 06:27 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Trent Molten Ash Posts: 90	moustache's Quote: "i think greenday is turning into EMO....their old music used to be better.. but now they are just catering to popular demand...." Are they? Good. Means the Left must be very popular! Apart from Led Zep, Greenday and Rage against the Machine - I don't listen to a lot of American bands-but I could put you onto some really unpopular British ones- if that's your taste. I highly recommened Eat Static. __________________ Q: What's a conservative? A: A liberal who skipped adolescence Trent

May 12, 2005, 08:54 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	why thank you trent, I expected more hate. Runa

May 12, 2005, 01:14 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Trent Molten Ash Posts: 90	***K. Did I say Led Zep were American? Must have been drunk. Trent

May 12, 2005, 03:26 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	led zepplin aren't american? coulda fooled me. I like Sum 41. and no, it has nothing to do with the fact that they're from like two hurs north of where I live. Runa