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May 9, 2005, 09:54 am
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| Molten Ash  Posts: 90 | Our Responsibility Why do people say you're a 'Loony Leftie' if you care about humanity and the future of Earth? What is insane about thinking of future generations? Surely we have a duty to those that come after us? Do people really think that we can justify current world violence and greed? In two hundred years time, wouldn't we rather be known as the ancestors that ended war and unified the planet? Let's step back a bit shall we? Earth is our planet, our home. And so far, we are alone. But one day, we may be visited perhaps by another planet's astronauts or by a committee of space travellers or (although I don't personally believe so) God himself. Imagine if they arrived tomorrow. How would we defend our selfish ways? We are warriors still, in 2005 with an ancient mentality. Had we united, everyone on our planet would be fed, watered and given some dignity in life. As it is, we rape the planet, kill each other, squabble over the wealth, worship celebrities because of they way they look (in other words, we worship perfection), judge each other on false values and act like hypocrites. We ignore the environmental warnings at the expense of our children and future generations because we really can't be bothered to seriously address those issues, they are too horrible to believe. We are cowards, takers, and killers. Who would want to know us? (perhaps this is why we've been left alone) We kill our own children. Drop bombs on them burn them We hate our fellow man because he is brought up in a different house and we don't know him. If you think of Earth as one big village of humans, we allow families across the road from us die of starvation. If we know of a criminal living in a block of flats, we don't just arrest him we blow the whole building up, killing ourselves to get to him. We are a childlike species. Seeing power in strength and riches. We bully and tell tales, we are envious and resentful. As a species we are greedy, racist, nationalist primitives (looking at us from outer-space of course). I think it's time we faced up to our failings for the sake of mankind's future. Time for us to clear up some of the huge mess we've made in the short time we've been here. We (and I mean humans) on this planet are the forefathers of the future. What trends do we wish to set? What examples of wisdom do we wish to pass on? We are all going to die one day. This forum and everything else around us at this time will be gone. But our actions now will reverberate throughout history. We need to take responsibility. Forget God he's either non-existant or so little help that he might as well be. It is up to us. You and me. There is no one else. What we do now may effect the survival of the human race. It's that simple. I think the time of war must draw to a close. Psychology and philosophy can and must take over. For mankind's sake, we need to pull ourselves together. I may be a loony leftie but it's the only thing that keeps me sane. Trent |
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May 9, 2005, 11:32 am
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| Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287 | Our Responsibility! Yes! Trent: > ["I think it's time we faced up to our failings for the sake of mankind's future. Time for us to clear up some of the huge mess we've made in the short time we've been here."] But how? How many do you know that agree with you, and are willing to step up to the plate? I'm with you. That's two with yourself. With Gorgo that's three. How many more are out there? Trent: > ["For mankind's sake, we need to pull ourselves together."] We starts with 'one' and grows to many. The question is, who are all those that make up the 'we' and how do we find out? For a start the 'Volconvo Discussion Forum' is good place to start who are all those that make up the 'we' On behalf of Trent, and on behalf of the human race, who on the 'Volconvo Discussion Forum' is willing to step up to the plate? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul |
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May 9, 2005, 12:08 pm
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| Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287 | JamesMcBride: > ["It's an admirable desire"] We starts with 'one' and grows to many. Are you number four? Yes, or No Trent: > ["For mankind's sake, we need to pull ourselves together."] For a start the 'Volconvo Discussion Forum' is good place to start who are all those that make up the 'we' May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul |
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May 9, 2005, 01:50 pm
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| Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287 | JamesMcBride: > ["It's an admirable desire"] Does that mean are 'you' willing? - Yes, or No. G. Adams: > ["I'm in."] #4, Thank you! First it's to find out who and how many are are willing to step up to the plate? I have 9 children, the youngest is 19 and the oldest is 33 and I'm 57. I have 2 grandchildren and 2 on the way. I am very serious in stoping the annihilation of all humanity with the Spirit of Love and Truth. May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul |
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May 9, 2005, 02:03 pm
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 208 | Mr trent, your words speak truth, but they do not speak money or power, so therefore they will never be internationally seen as truth. Trust me, I wish we could all get along and work for a peaceful future, but as long as that neighbour disagrees with you, there will never be peace, unfortunately. That's why I'm an anarchist. no, I do not bomb government buildings, nor do I protest things, but I do nt believe in government. I think the very concept of one group of people dictating the laws and rules of hundreds of millions is wrong. sure, we live in a world where people just can't get along, and therefore will never be able to live without laws to govern them. everyone would live according to their own beliefs, and some people believe it's okay to kill, so Anarchy would never actually work. But if everyone was to be a pacifist like me, then we'd all get along. Runa |
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May 9, 2005, 02:51 pm
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| Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287 | Runa216 : > ["Mr trent, your words speak truth, --- Trust me, I wish we could all get along and work for a peaceful future. --- But if everyone was to be a pacifist like me, then we'd all get along."] Runa216, if everyone in country of 10,000,000 was to be a pacifist like you, how would that country function? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul |
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May 9, 2005, 02:55 pm
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| BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412 | Quote:
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May 9, 2005, 09:30 pm
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May 9, 2005, 11:47 pm
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| Molten Ash Posts: 90 | Bit of a rant here but wanted to respond to posts. Gorgo said: "Peace is understanding that you have no enemies." I would like to think that I have come that far Gorgo but I see the enemies of others who suffer pain that I cannot comprehend and I think of Walter Benjamin, who said: " the big fight will be between Capitalism and the proletariat. " - if I see any 'enemy' in the form of man, it is a man full of greed and fear. It is a man who wishes for power over other men. I don't care what colour his skin is if he speaks my language or not where on Earth he keeps his pile of gold or what he says to justify himself. To me, he is an enemy of innocents - as is a serial killer, or anyone else who does not value the lives of others. However, I refuse to become like that man in order to challenge him. The very fact that I refuse to conform gives me some freedom. But what (as Paul asks) can we do about it? Paul said: "But how? How many do you know that agree with you, and are willing to step up to the plate? I'm with you. That's two with yourself. With Gorgo that's three. How many more are out there?" When I read this I thought 'Wow, stirring stuff,' but the question 'How?' is a difficult one. I've tried to come up with a few ideas (For what they're worth): I think to find out How we have to ask ourselves Why and What, first. Why do we want to change things and what do we want to change? My first response goes back to my initial question, - Why do I get called a Loony Leftie for caring about what we leave behind for Earth's future generations when we die? Why is there a bad stigma attached to caring? Have we been brainwashed by subtle means through the media and education into believing that anyone who feels guilt about the suffering of others anyone who questions the right of their own Government to horde Earths treasures is a tree-hugging, cowardly nancy-boy with beads and a big fat spliff (not to be taken seriously in fact, to be sneered at). And if he isn't a dope head, if he is in fact a bit of a threat, well then he must be a Commie-loving-terrorist. When did it become unfashionable to care? More importantly Why did it? (For example, I cringe with shame at the thought that 1.5 billion people still have no access to clean drinking water but I also feel a strange shame in complaining about it as if to do so is bad manners like laughing at a funeral.) Okay, so to begin with I'll concentrate on trying to change that attitude towards caring. Why? - Because I believe that like you, Paul there are millions of people out there who would love to step up to the plate in fact, they dream of doing so. People who understand one fundamental truth: That we have a duty to take care of each other as we spin around the sun in this strange universe. That we are each of us incredibly lucky to be experiencing life at this moment. That all life is precious, that coincidence does not exist, that we have to be able to face ourselves in death, believing that we've done our best for our fellow man. What do I want to change? I want to help change fashion, trend, attitude. I want to help give Lefties everywhere the chance to speak out about how they feel, without fear. Without judgement. How? Education springs to mind. Educate those that would otherwise grow up believing their enemy to be the 'tree-hugging, cowardly nancy-boy.' (And yes, I know it would be something like chipping away at Everest with a spoon). How about education through art or film as Michael Moore has done? Good on him but you can't make people watch a film or study a piece of art. And trying to shame the likes of George Bush or Tony Blair into changing their morals is a waste of time. So that leaves the idea of changing OUR attitude. The Lefties attitude. Get rid of the Fear, get rid of the Apathy and Denial, get rid of the REAL enemy Self-interest. Start to speak out with the one strength we do have: THE TRUTH I know that to speak the truth, to be honourable and serve justice, takes bravery and I think of men like Kevin Benderman http://www.bendermandefense.org/ and Pablo Paredes http://www.notinourname.net/courage.htm who both face a military court martial on 11th May for their opposition to the Iraq War. And I do recognise the enemies that lie (as JamesMcBride pointed out) within us: Fear, denial, apathy and hopelessness. Hate. Evil. And I take Runa216's point about the world being ruled by one set of people over billions of others. I haven't got all the answers, but imagine Runa216 if the Earth was 'cared for' by a united body of representatives voted in by each country global judges if you like a senate (although I personally don't believe the Roman Empire an example we should wish to follow) or a panel perhaps. They are answerable to the Dali Lama (for want of a better human) and each has responsibility for seeing that their country honours human rights, environmental regulations, issues of poverty or corruption. (I know, more holes than a sieve but it's an idea, a thought. And now that I've written it here, it's a shared thought. ) Truth is, there's a long way to go before the divide between rich and poor within our own countries is wiped out. As jeffl says: "Because it's not good for the economy; you're not being a good consumer." (If you care). I say *uck being a good consumer what about being a good human? What about being true to myself? I mean I know deep down that my soul is corruptible, that shame is the easy option. I know I'm lazy and that helping to give the Left a stronger voice would take stamina and bravery and strength that I do not feel but hell, I'm going to step up to the plate anyway. Yeah I may get heckled -but so what? That didn't stop Jessie Owen. Yes, people may sneer at my idealistic way of thinking but that didn't stop Jesus (who was in all probability tortured and executed for being a Leftie). People may even see me as a threat, they may want to kill me but that didn't stop Martin Luther King did it? I can begin here, on this forum by telling the truth about how I feel. I've never played baseball in my life but I've seen Field of Dreams and happily, I still believe in miracles. I may be a loony leftie but it's the only thing that keeps me sane. |
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May 10, 2005, 08:13 pm
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May 10, 2005, 10:36 pm
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| Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287 | Trent: > ["We need to take responsibility.--- For mankind's sake, we need to pull ourselves together.'] In your estimation, what percentage of people (adults) would be needed to pull together for the cause that you mentioned for a successful out come? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul |
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May 10, 2005, 11:24 pm
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| Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599 | You're a looney lefty if you're more concerned about what's happening halfway across the world than in your backyard. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you. |
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