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Paul · May 8, 2005, 11:03 am

In Matthew chapter 6, Jesus instructed us how to pray, --- "when you pray, you shall NOT be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues [churches] and on the corners of the streets [TV and radio], that they mat be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do NOT use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do NOT be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him."

What do Christian of Jesus' instructions 'How to Pray'?

May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly

Peace be with you, Paul

Milton Bradley · May 8, 2005, 03:48 pm

Didn't you leave out the part about praying to God through Jesus.

I was under the understanding that was a mandatory part of the equation.

Rave7pt0 · May 8, 2005, 04:55 pm

No, mainstream Christianity believes that faith in Jesus brings salvation, but prayer need not necessarily involve the "son."

Paul · May 8, 2005, 04:55 pm

My question was not clear. Jesus instructed us 'How to Pray' to your Father, and are the rules any different on 'How to Pray' to Jesus according to 'Testimony of Jesus'?

Is it written in the 'Testimony of Jesus' 'How to Pray' to Jesus? The rules on 'How to Pray' are not any different, because Jesus said, "I am in the Father, and the Father Me." - (John 14:11 )

May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly

Peace be with you, Paul

asterix404 · May 8, 2005, 11:50 pm

Why can't I use prair for meditation and not even bother god?

Paul · May 9, 2005, 09:35 am

The posting on 'How to Pray' is directed to Christians.

What is the purpose of meditation?

May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly

Peace be with you, Paul

asterix404 · May 11, 2005, 02:20 pm

Oh... but other people pray all the time. I am not christian at all... but sometimes I ask for help from a higher being. Meditation is beringing ones soul/inner being/internal energy at peace with the rest of the world and to listen to yourself. Some would considder it a form of prair. I mean... I also considder help with prair... well isn't it supose to come from within?

Runa216 · May 11, 2005, 10:21 pm

I don't pray for anything, ever. I used to, then I realized it made no difference whether I prayed or not. things happened no matter what. now, I go out and see what I can do to make the things I want to happen, happen.

but think about it this way....for all those who do worship and bask in the glory of god, ask yourself this. if god has a master plan, what makes you think he'll change it for little old you.

So no matter what way you look at it, prayer does nothing, it's a nice idea, but another hollow promise offered by the clergy.

Runa

asterix404 · May 12, 2005, 12:19 am

Haha devils advocate coming on. People also pray though and sometimes having a posative hope inside you can do wonders. Docs have said people with cancer are more likly to beet it if they are happy and hopeful. It's the people who get it want to die that are the problem. Prair gives hope... false or not... it is still hope and that is what is most important.

Runa216 · May 12, 2005, 08:56 am

that's why I hope, I don't pray. I am very optimistic when it comes to my own life, but as far as the world is concerned, we're screwed.

Runa

FIFI · May 12, 2005, 12:26 pm

Why should it matter in what style anyone choses to pray? The very act of "praying" is a privete communication to your chosen higher being. As long as you do not hurt yourself / anyone else, and don't disrupt too much of the lives of others, who cares?

P.s. I believe that there is a difference between prayer and meditation asterix404, though it is a thin line. To pray is to worship, ask for help (ETC) to a higher being / faith. Meditation is focusing in on ones self and acheiving an inner balance / peace.

Runa216 · May 12, 2005, 03:32 pm

but isnt' praying a form of wanting something so that you can be happier with yourself? the method is slightly difference, but the end result is the same, happiness. I say everyone is entitled to the right to happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others.

Runa

Paul · May 12, 2005, 08:07 pm

FIFI, I agree.

Runa216: > ["isnt' praying a form of wanting something so that you can be happier with yourself?"]

To praying is to ask. As FIFI says, ["The very act of "praying" is a privete communication to your chosen higher being. As long as you do not hurt yourself / anyone else"]

Runa216: > ["I say everyone is entitled to the right to happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others."]

"entitled" by who? "to the right to happiness" Let say you have a right the happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others."] How do we get the right to happiness?

May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you, and may your deeds be accordingly

Peace be with you, Paul

asterix404 · May 12, 2005, 09:15 pm

Medatation could however offer you more then just a glimps at your higher being... self relfexion is of course very important however when you pray you also reflect on past actions you have done, actions of others, and ask for something... with medataion I mainly ask myself questions and try to get an answer... sometimes if I feal a higher being around me I ask for it's advice... it's a very fine line... and I could see both sides of it... I just think it's another form of prair... also it gives me hope which for me isn't easy to come by. It also sets my mind as peace most of the time... just like prair... I don't know... I just don't see the difference I guess..

Runa216 · May 12, 2005, 10:26 pm

I can see that.

personally, I seek inner peace myself, I would never ask someone or something else to do that for me. but that's just me.

Runa

FIFI · May 17, 2005, 05:37 pm

But for some, the comfort of thinking that someone / thing above can help guide them to their inner peace is very comforting, and I think for many it helps them cope with the pains they bare.

Runa216 · May 18, 2005, 11:42 am

yeah, and that's why society created God. they needed someone to fall back on when the real world did them in.

Runa

May 8, 2005, 11:03 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	How to Pray In Matthew chapter 6, Jesus instructed us how to pray, --- "when you pray, you shall NOT be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues [churches] and on the corners of the streets [TV and radio], that they mat be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do NOT use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do NOT be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him." What do Christian of Jesus' instructions 'How to Pray'? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul

May 8, 2005, 04:55 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	No, mainstream Christianity believes that faith in Jesus brings salvation, but prayer need not necessarily involve the "son." Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

May 12, 2005, 12:26 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
FIFI THROBBIN ROBIN Location: USA Posts: 311	Why should it matter in what style anyone choses to pray? The very act of "praying" is a privete communication to your chosen higher being. As long as you do not hurt yourself / anyone else, and don't disrupt too much of the lives of others, who cares? P.s. I believe that there is a difference between prayer and meditation asterix404, though it is a thin line. To pray is to worship, ask for help (ETC) to a higher being / faith. Meditation is focusing in on ones self and acheiving an inner balance / peace. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T EXERCISE YOURS. Better to be thought a fool with ones mouth shut, than to speak and remove all doubt

May 17, 2005, 05:37 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
FIFI THROBBIN ROBIN Location: USA Posts: 311	But for some, the comfort of thinking that someone / thing above can help guide them to their inner peace is very comforting, and I think for many it helps them cope with the pains they bare. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T EXERCISE YOURS. Better to be thought a fool with ones mouth shut, than to speak and remove all doubt

May 8, 2005, 03:48 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Didn't you leave out the part about praying to God through Jesus. I was under the understanding that was a mandatory part of the equation.

May 8, 2005, 04:55 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	My question was not clear. Jesus instructed us 'How to Pray' to your Father, and are the rules any different on 'How to Pray' to Jesus according to 'Testimony of Jesus'? Is it written in the 'Testimony of Jesus' 'How to Pray' to Jesus? The rules on 'How to Pray' are not any different, because Jesus said, "I am in the Father, and the Father Me." - (John 14:11 ) May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul

May 8, 2005, 11:50 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Why can't I use prair for meditation and not even bother god?

May 9, 2005, 09:35 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	The posting on 'How to Pray' is directed to Christians. What is the purpose of meditation? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul

May 11, 2005, 02:20 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Oh... but other people pray all the time. I am not christian at all... but sometimes I ask for help from a higher being. Meditation is beringing ones soul/inner being/internal energy at peace with the rest of the world and to listen to yourself. Some would considder it a form of prair. I mean... I also considder help with prair... well isn't it supose to come from within?

May 11, 2005, 10:21 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	I don't pray for anything, ever. I used to, then I realized it made no difference whether I prayed or not. things happened no matter what. now, I go out and see what I can do to make the things I want to happen, happen. but think about it this way....for all those who do worship and bask in the glory of god, ask yourself this. if god has a master plan, what makes you think he'll change it for little old you. So no matter what way you look at it, prayer does nothing, it's a nice idea, but another hollow promise offered by the clergy. Runa

May 12, 2005, 12:19 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Haha devils advocate coming on. People also pray though and sometimes having a posative hope inside you can do wonders. Docs have said people with cancer are more likly to beet it if they are happy and hopeful. It's the people who get it want to die that are the problem. Prair gives hope... false or not... it is still hope and that is what is most important.

May 12, 2005, 08:56 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	that's why I hope, I don't pray. I am very optimistic when it comes to my own life, but as far as the world is concerned, we're screwed. Runa

May 12, 2005, 03:32 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	but isnt' praying a form of wanting something so that you can be happier with yourself? the method is slightly difference, but the end result is the same, happiness. I say everyone is entitled to the right to happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others. Runa

May 12, 2005, 08:07 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	FIFI, I agree. Runa216: > ["isnt' praying a form of wanting something so that you can be happier with yourself?"] To praying is to ask. As FIFI says, ["The very act of "praying" is a privete communication to your chosen higher being. As long as you do not hurt yourself / anyone else"] Runa216: > ["I say everyone is entitled to the right to happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others."] "entitled" by who? "to the right to happiness" Let say you have a right the happiness, so long as it's not at the expense of others."] How do we get the right to happiness? May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you, and may your deeds be accordingly Peace be with you, Paul

May 12, 2005, 09:15 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Medatation could however offer you more then just a glimps at your higher being... self relfexion is of course very important however when you pray you also reflect on past actions you have done, actions of others, and ask for something... with medataion I mainly ask myself questions and try to get an answer... sometimes if I feal a higher being around me I ask for it's advice... it's a very fine line... and I could see both sides of it... I just think it's another form of prair... also it gives me hope which for me isn't easy to come by. It also sets my mind as peace most of the time... just like prair... I don't know... I just don't see the difference I guess..

May 12, 2005, 10:26 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	I can see that. personally, I seek inner peace myself, I would never ask someone or something else to do that for me. but that's just me. Runa

May 18, 2005, 11:42 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	yeah, and that's why society created God. they needed someone to fall back on when the real world did them in. Runa