The Proof That You Exist

[Colonel Bill]

The Proof That You Exist.

As far as I know, you think that you are a flow of consciousness. I will show you, that you are a special matter which is possessing the consciousness. The consciousness isn't just flowing awareness. You are a matter, the consciousness is your awareness.

Matter is anything what is capable to influence or to be influenced by a matter. If anything is acting like this - it is a matter.

No-matter may be either a hidden, not interacting with anything matter or the emptiness.

The proof.

When you try to move, the brain must read from somewhere the desire to move to be able to interpret the desire into the right nerve impulses that are sent to the muscles. Matter may only be influenced by a state of a matter form. So, it should be a matter, which state is the reflection of the desire to move, which state is read by the brain. That matter is you - a very special matter, possessing the consciousness.

You are a matter, which at once sees its consciousness and the image of itself as the viewer. That's how the matter thinks it is "who" and is not "what".

Of course, you may think, you are a no-matter, some kind of emptiness. What kind of emptiness are you, this or that? Real empty emptiness or simply empty space? Which kind of emptiness may actually influence the brain?

The perception of the matter as of something touchable and material shall be reviewed and modified. Physical matter is in fact something very close to us, to some very special matter which is possessing the consciousness.

To give you more ideas, space is not just something empty, even space, perhaps, is a matter. It is because of space, that everything doesn't interact with everything and the powers of fields are lost somewhere as they spread.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Colonel Bill The Proof That You Exist. As far as I know, you think that you are a flow of consciousness. I will show you, that you are a special matter which is possessing the consciousness. The consciousness isn't just flowing awareness. You are a matter, the consciousness is your awareness.

I accept the premise that I exist. However, I do not think that I am any more special than is anything else. We make up a part of the "whole" were everything is equally important or equally unimportant ( is that a word?).

Existance is huge and very complex. The fact that we have consciousness is neat; and a wonderful gift. This makes us valuable to ourselves but not to the great mass of material that makes up the universe.

[atheist]

The word "exist" exists because people say so. I exist because I say so and I am....GOD..dun dun dunnn...Does the concept of "existance" really exist? What is "truth"? My brain is too tiny to make anything out, but I can believe what I want to because I can.

To base existence on actual matter may not be fair either. Such as, the concept of "fairness" exists, because people say so. You can and cannot deny if "fairness" exists, it is impossible to determine which because we are peons in this universe (does a universe even "exist?" Could it be something bigger? What defines "big"?). A lot is based on perception. An elephant is "big" to me but not to Saturn. Saturn doesn't think but it exists. "All" my "words" can actually be in "quotes" because they all "exist" because I say so. ;asldfj;alskjf i'm going crazy. :eek:

[Logjam]

Quote by: atheist The word "exist" exists because people say so. I exist because I say so and I am....GOD..dun dun dunnn...Does the concept of "existance" really exist? What is "truth"? My brain is too tiny to make anything out, but I can believe what I want to because I can.

Indeed, your existance may be a myth. How can you prove otherwise? But I'm pretty confident that we do exist; I just have a feeling that tells me that.

I also think that you need not to worry about whether you exist or not. Just go ahead and keep on truckin as if you do.

That'll work. At least for now.

[dilligras]

Does your navel exist?

Surely you have spent enough of your life examining it in such microscopic detail as to be afforded the authority to answer the query without confusing one so simple as I.

Oops! My life calls, and I must attend its pragmatic demands.

[tman_ndsu08]

The physics of thinking and the brain is very interesting and (unfortunately) largely not understood.

How do you, physically, discribe thoughts and consciousness and connect them to the biology of the brain?

Unfortunately, I don't think these questions will be able to be answered because trying to conduct physical brain experiments is very dangerous.

[Starboy]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 The physics of thinking and the brain is very interesting and (unfortunately) largely not understood. How do you, physically, discribe thoughts and consciousness and connect them to the biology of the brain? Unfortunately, I don't think these questions will be able to be answered because trying to conduct physical brain experiments is very dangerous.

We learn new things all the time. And there are always twin studies and people with unusual medical problems with their brains. Then there are animal studies and don't forget that we are not the only primates in the world. And lastly there are experiments that take human nerve cells and experiment with them in mass. All I have to say is that it was only a little over fifty years ago that the structure of DNA was discovered. We are making fine progress and there is no reason to think, other than the religious nut cases in the world, we will not continue to do so.

Starboy

[tman_ndsu08]

I hope so!

[Sonart]

I think, therefore I am.


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[howdrel]

I accept the premise that I exist. However, I do not think that I am any more special than is anything else. We make up a part of the "whole" were everything is equally important or equally unimportant ( is that a word?).

I don't understand this...providing that there is an afterlife, why assume is is raised upon some higher standards? God may claim its supremacy, but could that simply be rooted in the signifigance of it in terms of I-am-going-to-die-where-do-you-want-to-spend-eternity? type thing? So why could not the afterlife be a normal process, just like our souls could be a natural part of existence?

In short, everything in nature is objective, right? When everything is objective, why assert that something is more special than another thing, when everything is an important and integral part of truth?

Urgh, I am begining to sound like a wannabe Spinoza follower!

Peace, Love, and Understanding

Arouet

[dilligras]

Quote by: Sonart I think, therefore I am. .

Perhaps you only think you think........so maybe you aren't.

[Prometheus]

Someones' been reading too much Descartes.

Philosophors have been debating this question forever. When you ask a question that abstract, you will never get a usefull answer. And so what if you did. If you know that you either do or don't exist, how would that change your daily life at all?

[Starboy]

The other thing about Descarte's so called arguments regarding existence and god is that he presumed what he was trying to show. Not very logical or honest.

Fact is logic by itself cannot prove anything. One must start with some assumptions, or in the case of Descarte some presumptions. And of course the funny thing about reality is you can have the most logical argument in the world but you still have to check it in actual reality.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy The other thing about Descarte's so called arguments regarding existence and god is that he presumed what he was trying to show. Not very logical or honest. Fact is logic by itself cannot prove anything. One must start with some assumptions, or in the case of Descarte some presumptions. And of course the funny thing about reality is you can have the most logical argument in the world but you still have to check it in actual reality. Starboy

Well that's what Descartes tried to do - build his logic on axioms, building up a philosophy just like euclid (sic) did with math. The only probem is that his first axiom was "I think therefore I am". Once you get that abstract, words like "I", "think", and "am" really have no meaning. The whole idea of anything existing really becomes meaningless. Philosophy on this level is useless.

All the logic in the world is useless with a starting point that is assured.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus All the logic in the world is useless with a starting point that is assured.

Why do people think that logic is reasonable?

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Why do people think that logic is reasonable? Starboy

If you want to make a point just make it. Don't throw out cryptic rhetorical question and then wait for someone to play flunky.

[SNPete]

Years ago I once met this Buddhist fellow who claimed that all life was an illusion and we did not really exist. I told him I had a simple test that would prove to himself that he existed. He said good.

I decided that I should tell him what my method of proof would be to avoid any trouble or misunderstanding.

I told the Buddhist fellow that I was going to ask him to close his eyes and count to 30. He was to visualized that all life was an illusion and that neither of us actually existed during his count to 30. I told him that during his count I planned to punch him in the head. If he felt my blow that would be proof that both he and I existed.

The Buddhist fellow laughed and declined my proof. Some people don’t live their faith. ;-)

BTW I do exist, just ask my wife!

[Starboy]

Quote by: Prometheus If you want to make a point just make it. Don't throw out cryptic rhetorical question and then wait for someone to play flunky.

Prometheus, it was your chance to shine. It was a simple question. What logical proof exists to prove that logic is reasonable to use?

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Starboy Prometheus, it was your chance to shine. It was a simple question. What logical proof exists to prove that logic is reasonable to use? Starboy

I know of no "proof" that logic is reasonable. It is an inane question.

You ask for proof of god. Asking for proof is an appeal to logic. Obviously you think logic is reasonable, otherwise you wouldn't base your ascinine complaints against religion on it.

[RickSp]

Hey folks. This is the internet. Do any of us really exist? I'm sure some of us do. Well, maybe.