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Paul · Apr 25, 2005, 10:58 pm

This post is mainly for Christians, because they say, "I know Jesus" For those that say, "I know Jesus" it be important for them to read 'The First Epistle of John'.

John was a very close friend of Jesus and what's written in 1 John is 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' Also there is The Gospel According to John and The Revelation to John from Jesus. Because John was very close to Jesus, it makes John's writings a very good mearsure in knowing Jesus.

'The Test of Knowing Jesus' ---> 1 John 3:8, "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the begining, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'.

On the road to Damascus, Saul was a wretched man and near the time his death in Rome he confessed to be a wretched man as written.in Roman 7:14-20 +24-25.

Paul writes,
--- "I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

--- "I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."

--- "I can will what is right, but I cannot do it."

--- "I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do."

--- "Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me."

1 John 3:8, "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the begining, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'.

1 John 2:4-6, "'He who says, 'I know Him [Jesus]', and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. --- He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked"

I'd like your input on these questions, did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus as John knew Jesus? How does Saul/St.Paul fair on 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' according to John?

Peace be with you, Paul

IndieC · Apr 25, 2005, 11:22 pm

You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible, as he was perfect, and did not sin. We all sin, at one point or an other. We sin everyday, in my opinion. There is always something we do, like swear, or feel hatred, or cause emotional harm to an other, etc. We should do our best to keep to the ten commandments, but in the end, if we do not one day, but ask for forgiveness from God, we will be forgiven, and thus we will know Jesus, as John did in the way he talks about it. Thus, Paul did know Jesus, for he confessed his sins, and knew them to be wrong. Once one is at that stage, one can be considered to be walking alongside Jesus, i believe, and to be following His teachings if one is a Christian. I have not kept to the ten commandments all my life although i endeavour to do so. In the end though, i repent, and i know Jesus. Our slate is wiped clean, as some would say, when we confess to God our sins, or ask for forgiveness, but we are always sinful.

In the end i think that if we do our best to walk the path of Christ, and walk as he did, then we can be considered to know him...

Starboy · Apr 26, 2005, 12:10 am

Why do Christians spew this crap. Just about none of them makes the smallest attempt to walk the walk of Jesus. They are all certainly capable of giving up all their possesions and living a simple life, and they all know this is the walk of Jesus and yet they do not do even this one simple thing. They are all a bunch of hypocrites.

Starboy

Rave7pt0 · Apr 26, 2005, 01:33 am

Don't post off topic and/or inflamatory posts please, Starboy.

MerlinsByte · Apr 26, 2005, 03:31 am

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by starboy..Just about none of them makes the smallest attempt to walk the walk of Jesus. They are all certainly capable of giving up all their possesions and living a simple life, and they all know this is the walk of Jesus and yet they do not do even this one simple thing

Merlin...I don't think Jesus (I may be wrong) ever said give up all your possessions. Most of the Traditional Christian's I know live a simple life. Most attempt to improve their lot with God and their fellow man. While I am not a traditional Christian I can tell you what is true and false according to the Christian beliefs. So f you want to get to know a non traditional Christian you can e mail me.

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MerlinsByte · Apr 26, 2005, 03:43 am

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By paul…'The Test of Knowing Jesus' ---> 1 John 3:8, "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'.

I'd like your input on these questions, did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus as John knew Jesus? How does Saul/St.Paul fair on 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' according to John?

Merlin writes... Saul/St.Paul's doctrine says that Jesus died for our sins, but Jesus suffered and died because of the wicked. However I have not studied this aspect of the NT enough to provide reliable content on your question. I do know about sin and its implications.

Sin is destructive, a negative force in the universe, and was here, of course before Jesus in the flesh was.

God manifested himself in Jesus because god the spirit lies outside this universe, and his vision would be unrecognizable in its original form, hence Jesus, or god in the flesh.

Jesus died on the cross to stop the blood sacrifices and offered himself as the sacrifice. His spiritual law modified the laws of Moses in my opinion.

Jesus taught the spiritual law. The law of love. Love destroys sin. One cannot love themselves and their fellow man 100% and sin. The 100% figure is the goal and I think if any human attained that goal he/she would be taken to be with god without death.

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Paul · Apr 26, 2005, 09:31 pm

What is John's definition of sin here ---> "Who has been born of God does not sin. for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." - "He who sins is of the devil" -( 1 John 3:8-9 )

And what is Jesus' definition of sin here ---> "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin" - ( John 15:22 ) What this is saying to those that say, "I know Jesus" and says, "I know His Words" have NO EXCUSE for their sin."

What Saul/St.Paul's definition of sin when he said, "with my flesh I serve the law of sin." --- "I do the very thing I hate" --- "the evil I do not want is what I do" --- "it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me."

Can someone define these definitions of sin?

Paul's writings are very important and should not be thrown out. I just asked a couple of questions.

1) Did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus as John knew Jesus?

2) How does Saul/St.Paul fair on 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' according to John?

1 John 3:8, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'.

Saul/St.Paul should of went to St. John to learn about who Jesus was and His Words of Love. LOVE destroy the 'works of the devil'. This is why Jesus said, "Love your enemies"

Peace be with you, Paul

Paul · Apr 26, 2005, 09:52 pm

IndieC: > ["You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible"]

You are talking of yourself that it's impossible, but you do not have authority to say what your neighbor can do, or can't do.

["You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible"] These is statement is 100% false according to 'The Testimony of Jesus'

Peace be with you, Paul

Paul · Apr 27, 2005, 09:39 am

: > ["Thus, Paul did know Jesus, for he confessed his sins, and knew them to be wrong."]

On the road to Damascus, Saul was a wretched man and near the time his death in Rome he confessed to be a wretched man as written.in Roman 7:14-20 +24-25.

Paul writes,
--- "I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

--- "I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."

--- "I can will what is right, but I cannot do it."

--- "I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do."

--- "Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me."

IndieC, can explain what Saul/St.Paul is sating here?

Peace be with you, Paul

James · Apr 27, 2005, 07:23 pm

We can't know Jesus NOW as John knew him (earthly and physically), but I will one day.

Paul · Apr 28, 2005, 01:06 pm

James: > ["We can't know Jesus NOW as John knew him (earthly and physically), but I will one day."]

To rephrase the question, did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus according to 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' in '1 John'.

Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 25, 2005, 10:58 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	The Test of Knowing Jesus This post is mainly for Christians, because they say, "I know Jesus" For those that say, "I know Jesus" it be important for them to read 'The First Epistle of John'. John was a very close friend of Jesus and what's written in 1 John is 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' Also there is The Gospel According to John and The Revelation to John from Jesus. Because John was very close to Jesus, it makes John's writings a very good mearsure in knowing Jesus. 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' ---> 1 John 3:8, "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the begining, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'. On the road to Damascus, Saul was a wretched man and near the time his death in Rome he confessed to be a wretched man as written.in Roman 7:14-20 +24-25. Paul writes, --- "I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin." --- "I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." --- "I can will what is right, but I cannot do it." --- "I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do." --- "Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me." 1 John 3:8, "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the begining, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'. 1 John 2:4-6, "'He who says, 'I know Him [Jesus]', and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. --- He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked" I'd like your input on these questions, did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus as John knew Jesus? How does Saul/St.Paul fair on 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' according to John? Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 25, 2005, 11:22 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
IndieC Igneous Magma Location: UK Posts: 303	You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible, as he was perfect, and did not sin. We all sin, at one point or an other. We sin everyday, in my opinion. There is always something we do, like swear, or feel hatred, or cause emotional harm to an other, etc. We should do our best to keep to the ten commandments, but in the end, if we do not one day, but ask for forgiveness from God, we will be forgiven, and thus we will know Jesus, as John did in the way he talks about it. Thus, Paul did know Jesus, for he confessed his sins, and knew them to be wrong. Once one is at that stage, one can be considered to be walking alongside Jesus, i believe, and to be following His teachings if one is a Christian. I have not kept to the ten commandments all my life although i endeavour to do so. In the end though, i repent, and i know Jesus. Our slate is wiped clean, as some would say, when we confess to God our sins, or ask for forgiveness, but we are always sinful. In the end i think that if we do our best to walk the path of Christ, and walk as he did, then we can be considered to know him... "Never before in the history of warfare had destruction been so indiscriminate and universal" - makes you think of Hiroshima... -H.G. Wells, The War of the Worlds

Apr 26, 2005, 01:33 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	Don't post off topic and/or inflamatory posts please, Starboy. Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

Apr 27, 2005, 07:23 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
James Igneous Magma Location: NC Posts: 293	We can't know Jesus NOW as John knew him (earthly and physically), but I will one day. "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." -- George Washington

Apr 26, 2005, 12:10 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	Why do Christians spew this crap. Just about none of them makes the smallest attempt to walk the walk of Jesus. They are all certainly capable of giving up all their possesions and living a simple life, and they all know this is the walk of Jesus and yet they do not do even this one simple thing. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. Starboy

Apr 26, 2005, 09:31 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	What is John's definition of sin here ---> "Who has been born of God does not sin. for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." - "He who sins is of the devil" -( 1 John 3:8-9 ) And what is Jesus' definition of sin here ---> "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin" - ( John 15:22 ) What this is saying to those that say, "I know Jesus" and says, "I know His Words" have NO EXCUSE for their sin." What Saul/St.Paul's definition of sin when he said, "with my flesh I serve the law of sin." --- "I do the very thing I hate" --- "the evil I do not want is what I do" --- "it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me." Can someone define these definitions of sin? Paul's writings are very important and should not be thrown out. I just asked a couple of questions. 1) Did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus as John knew Jesus? 2) How does Saul/St.Paul fair on 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' according to John? 1 John 3:8, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the 'works of the devil'. Saul/St.Paul should of went to St. John to learn about who Jesus was and His Words of Love. LOVE destroy the 'works of the devil'. This is why Jesus said, "Love your enemies" Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 26, 2005, 09:52 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	IndieC: > ["You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible"] You are talking of yourself that it's impossible, but you do not have authority to say what your neighbor can do, or can't do. ["You can never walk as Jesus walked. It is impossible"] These is statement is 100% false according to 'The Testimony of Jesus' Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 27, 2005, 09:39 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	: > ["Thus, Paul did know Jesus, for he confessed his sins, and knew them to be wrong."] On the road to Damascus, Saul was a wretched man and near the time his death in Rome he confessed to be a wretched man as written.in Roman 7:14-20 +24-25. Paul writes, --- "I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin." --- "I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." --- "I can will what is right, but I cannot do it." --- "I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do." --- "Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me." IndieC, can explain what Saul/St.Paul is sating here? Peace be with you, Paul

Apr 28, 2005, 01:06 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	James: > ["We can't know Jesus NOW as John knew him (earthly and physically), but I will one day."] To rephrase the question, did Saul/St.Paul know Jesus according to 'The Test of Knowing Jesus' in '1 John'. Peace be with you, Paul