Evolutionary biology THE MYTH

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Starboy If I were trying to hoax or con you you would agree with everything I said. If we palyed poker or chess for money you would have to borrow money for a taxi home. but I love ya anyhow...got any money? mb

Merlin, is English a second language for you? Simply because you try to hoax someone does not mean that you will succeed. You can fail at a hoax and still be a hoaxer. But that is beside the point. If you are able to follow the thread you would have noticed that the post you responded to was my response to a post of PooeyPants regarding your very lame argument that evolution must be irretrievably flawed simply because in the past people were able to pull off hoaxes. My point, which apparently just zoomed right over that pointy little head of yours, is that all religions from day one have suffered from hoaxes, therefore, by your lame brained logic all religions are as irretrievably flawed as evolution.

In any case a discussion regarding the relative merits of evolution or god as an explanation of species should not rest on the existence of gullible people or those that would wish to fool others. It should be based on the ability of one explanation verses the other to explain what we observe. And if it has more success at leading to new discoveries then so much the better. And even if one explanation is not perfect and can be seen to be flawed, if there is nothing better and it beats hands down all contenders then it qualifies as the best explanation to date. God explanations are not even in the running since they suck as explanations and are no better than no explanation at all.

Starboy

[MerlinsByte]

PooeyPants regarding your very lame argument that evolution must be irretrievably flawed simply because in the past people were able to pull off hoaxes.

Merlin sez....Why should I believe a theory that's riddled with fraud, lies and addicted to self-delusional ignorance? I proved evolutionary theory was based on wild leaps of faith.

I showed if they could not prove by the facts that they expect every no thinking moron to accept outright fraud, intentional deception and misleading "facts" as truth to support their off color theory of "evolution of the species."

At least my theory has no intentional fraud or outright hoaxes in it, like the theory (of) evolution of the species does. Your and pooeys religion, ahhh' I mean, beloved theory (and, at best it's a theory) is heaving with lies, criminal fraud, and deception intentional and otherwise! Its a distasteful comical parody framed in ridiculous hopeful expectations.

You and pooey know that I have you by the …. Ummm’ short and curlies …that's the reason you two are squealing so loud! Ouch! Oweeee!

Learn to think. It would behoove you and pooey, who both seem intelligent, to learn something about critical thinking and apply it. Your deficiencies lie your seemingly powerlessness to accept anything but the dogma of the successful indoctrination (of you two) into the approved propoganda of the day.

starboy (and poooeypants) please; you're a study in everything that is wrong with the mainstream science , their gurus, and their coveted OLD theories that are embedded in layers of self-delusional comfort food for thought. They make the denial of an opiate abuser seem tame in comparison to their (denial of truth). I feel that E.T.S. , is very nearly faith based near deity worship (of Darwin).

God is dead? Darwin is dead for sure. Darwinism is dead, the old new THEORY of evolution is dead, or it very well smells like over done rotten Bullcrap!

I, and other Individualists, unlike some other collective, mentally feeble souls, have a natural revulsion to swallowing crapola, kaka, and a.k.a. bullshit without question.



mb

[MerlinsByte]

starboy , you forgot to address the part about my superior chess and poker skills, I assume you agree with me. An online game would betwixt us be a good start. Hell, I will be easy on you. and how did you know what my head looks like? are you psychotic?...er is that psychic?

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[Pooeypants]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin sez....Why should I believe a theory that's riddled with fraud, lies and addicted to self-delusional ignorance? I proved evolutionary theory was based on wild leaps of faith.

You've proved no such thing. All you've shown is your arrogance and lack of scientific knowledge.

Quote by: MerlinsByte I showed if they could not prove by the facts that they expect every no thinking moron to accept outright fraud, intentional deception and misleading "facts" as truth to support their off color theory of "evolution of the species."

Show me?

Quote by: MerlinsByte At least my theory has no intentional fraud or outright hoaxes in it, like the theory (of) evolution of the species does. Your and pooeys religion, ahhh' I mean, beloved theory (and, at best it's a theory) is heaving with lies, criminal fraud, and deception intentional and otherwise! Its a distasteful comical parody framed in ridiculous hopeful expectations.

Again, you say, "at best it's a theory", which means you don't understand nor have you heard me describe the importance of scientific theories. Once again you show arrogance and ignorance.

Quote by: MerlinsByte You and pooey know that I have you by the …. Ummm’ short and curlies …that's the reason you two are squealing so loud! Ouch! Oweeee! Learn to think. It would behoove you and pooey, who both seem intelligent, to learn something about critical thinking and apply it. Your deficiencies lie your seemingly powerlessness to accept anything but the dogma of the successful indoctrination (of you two) into the approved propoganda of the day. starboy (and poooeypants) please; you're a study in everything that is wrong with the mainstream science , their gurus, and their coveted OLD theories that are embedded in layers of self-delusional comfort food for thought. They make the denial of an opiate abuser seem tame in comparison to their (denial of truth). I feel that E.T.S. , is very nearly faith based near deity worship (of Darwin). God is dead? Darwin is dead for sure. Darwinism is dead, the old new THEORY of evolution is dead, or it very well smells like over done rotten Bullcrap! I, and other Individualists, unlike some other collective, mentally feeble souls, have a natural revulsion to swallowing crapola, kaka, and a.k.a. bullshit without question. mb

All you've shown is a contempt for science which has brought us prosperty and good health in this golden age. You've done so without good due evidence and without a grasp of what you're actually opposing. All you've shown is how inept and uneducated you. Not to mention selectively blind considering how you repeat the same mistake over and over again when I've told you the error of your words.

Come back when you've actually read up on the science, may be then you'd regain some shred of dignity.

[MerlinsByte]

Concerning my allegation of fraud and lies of evolutionary theory

you’ve proved no such thing. All you've shown is your arrogance and lack of scientific knowledge.

merlin sez...This is getting rather old; here are a few more names for you to peck into your browser…. Piltdownman, Nebraska Man, Ramapithicus, Australopithecous, Australopithecus Afarensis, Homo Habilis, Homo erectus,

All fraudulent or discredited by the evolutionary disciples that you so love.
This is just a tiny representation of some less well known untruths, that evolutionist would have had you believing in.

Again, you say, "at best it's a theory", which means you don't understand nor have you heard me describe the importance of scientific theories. Once again you show arrogance and ignorance.

Where did I say that scientific theory held no value? Or that they were not important. Hell, my theory is important to me and it is a theory that can be tested as much as evolution can be. I show my arrogance? correct! However, I don't say that my beliefs are the only possible explanation. Who's ignorance is showing is suspect. But I excuse your insult anyway, its a common defensive pathological response for insecurity.

All you've shown is a contempt for science which has brought us prosperty and good health in this golden age. You've done so without good due evidence and without a grasp of what you're actually opposing. All you've shown is how inept and uneducated you. Not to mention selectively blind considering how you repeat the same mistake over and over again when I've told you the error of your words.Come back when you've actually read up on the science, may be then you'd regain some shred of dignity.

merlin sez...I agree that science has improved the quality for some of us. It has also give us thermonuclear weapons, with the ability to destroy gods creation, and the ability to become obese here in the USA while 27,000 die of starvation elsewhere on our planet. Hmmm' a I pod or a H bomb......difficult decision huh?

All you've shown is how inept and uneducated you (are) (mine mb) Not to mention selectively blind considering how you repeat the same mistake over and over again when I've told you the error of your words.

Merlin sez...I must be selectively repetitive to teach you by rote. Repeat... Evolution is a theory, It is a theory, it is a THEORY...should I keep going.?..my basset takes 40 repetitions to learn a simple concept how many does it take you pooey?

Come back when you've actually read up on the science, may be then you'd regain some shred of dignity

I am not dignified or strive to be! arrrrah! I however, am bonified.(mine) Please don't ever call me dignified, you have tried to pin enough insults on me without that one.Dang !!!!

Oh and Im back PP


mb

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin sez....Why should I believe a theory that's riddled with fraud, lies and addicted to self-delusional ignorance? I proved evolutionary theory was based on wild leaps of faith. I showed if they could not prove by the facts that they expect every no thinking moron to accept outright fraud, intentional deception and misleading "facts" as truth to support their off color theory of "evolution of the species." At least my theory has no intentional fraud or outright hoaxes in it, like the theory (of) evolution of the species does. Your and pooeys religion, ahhh' I mean, beloved theory (and, at best it's a theory) is heaving with lies, criminal fraud, and deception intentional and otherwise! Its a distasteful comical parody framed in ridiculous hopeful expectations.

Merlin, just because your head is pointed doesn't mean you are sharp. I will repeat this again. If you think that because a particular explanation must be discarded because it can be hoaxed then you are left with nothing because all explanations can be hoaxed. That is because hoaxing has more to do with the gullibility of people than it has to do with the explanations themselves.

You and pooey know that I have you by the …. Ummm’ short and curlies …that's the reason you two are squealing so loud! Ouch! Oweeee! Learn to think. It would behoove you and pooey, who both seem intelligent, to learn something about critical thinking and apply it. Your deficiencies lie your seemingly powerlessness to accept anything but the dogma of the successful indoctrination (of you two) into the approved propoganda of the day. starboy (and poooeypants) please; you're a study in everything that is wrong with the mainstream science , their gurus, and their coveted OLD theories that are embedded in layers of self-delusional comfort food for thought. They make the denial of an opiate abuser seem tame in comparison to their (denial of truth). I feel that E.T.S. , is very nearly faith based near deity worship (of Darwin).

Merlin what are you talking about? My point was simple. Discounting an explanation because people have fooled its advocates is a bogus reason for discounting the explanation. Your inability to understand this is just another example of how ignorant you are. The point has nothing to do with the actual explanation of evolution itself but is about what criterion are not important when evaluating explanations. My guess is that you will respond to this with more of the same tripe that clearly illustrates just how stupid you actually are.

God is dead? Darwin is dead for sure. Darwinism is dead, the old new THEORY of evolution is dead, or it very well smells like over done rotten Bullcrap!

This again illustrates how ignorant you are. Darwin is dead. You can go to his grave if you like. He never claimed to be a god. He was a man. He lived and died like all men have and do. His theory is no more either. Like all scientific theories it changes over time. But who cares what you think the current theory smells like. Your reasoning abilities, your education and your honesty are in such disrepute that your olfactory evaluation is of no interest.

I, and other Individualists, unlike some other collective, mentally feeble souls, have a natural revulsion to swallowing crapola, kaka, and a.k.a. bullshit without question.

AHHHHHH, now I understand. Do not worry Merlin about swallowing shit. For you this is not a problem since you are already full of it.

Starboy

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Concerning my allegation of fraud and lies of evolutionary theory merlin sez...This is getting rather old; here are a few more names for you to peck into your browser…. Piltdownman, Nebraska Man, Ramapithicus, Australopithecous, Australopithecus Afarensis, Homo Habilis, Homo erectus, All fraudulent or discredited by the evolutionary disciples that you so love. This is just a tiny representation of some less well known untruths, that evolutionist would have had you believing in

Since when have all of those been discredited? The first two may be hoaxes but that does not mean the rest of the samples are bunk.
You know, in the UK recently, we've only just sorted out the MMR debacle, some doctor published a biased paper on vaccines and caused mass panic. It was later to be revealed that his paper was bunk, a fraud. Does that mean all other medical papers and science are fraudulent as well? I mean, that IS what your logic dictates.

Quote by: MerlinsByte Where did I say that scientific theory held no value? Or that they were not important. Hell, my theory is important to me and it is a theory that can be tested as much as evolution can be. I show my arrogance? correct! However, I don't say that my beliefs are the only possible explanation. Who's ignorance is showing is suspect. But I excuse your insult anyway, its a common defensive pathological response for insecurity.

Your layman theory does not match the standards of a scientific theory, that is what is important.

Quote by: MerlinsByte merlin sez...I agree that science has improved the quality for some of us. It has also give us thermonuclear weapons, with the ability to destroy gods creation, and the ability to become obese here in the USA while 27,000 die of starvation elsewhere on our planet. Hmmm' a I pod or a H bomb......difficult decision huh?

How many more would've starved and died if they didn't have medicine? If they didn't have the technology to enable fast transportation? Looks to me that you want us to be back in the Middle Ages when the Spanish Inquisition ruled supreme, infact, you'd probably be of them.

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin sez...I must be selectively repetitive to teach you by rote. Repeat... Evolution is a theory, It is a theory, it is a THEORY...should I keep going.?..my basset takes 40 repetitions to learn a simple concept how many does it take you pooey?

It is a scientific theory, which is not a layman theory. A theory, is conjecture or hypothesis. Learn to understand this and save some face.

Quote by: MerlinsByte I am not dignified or strive to be! arrrrah! I however, am bonified.(mine) Please don't ever call me dignified, you have tried to pin enough insults on me without that one.Dang !!!! Oh and Im back PP mb

Seems like you have nothing to actually back up your arguments. Carry on if you wish.

[MerlinsByte]

Merlin writes....Let me explain the real issue here to you and star boy. You believe the religion of evolution I believe the in a modified creation theory with intelligent design. We as individuals believe what we want to. When I posted my original ideas I did not claim (as you and starry boy do) that mine was the only acceptable theory.

Furthermore, you don’t really know what I believe in respect to evolutionary theory, or what my education is or, what my detailed take on creation theory is, or what just about anything else, now do you?

You do know I disagree with self-indulgent fantasies and studies in meek submission. That last sentence explains you and star boy in painful detail. You acquiescently take Darwin’s theory up the place where solar radiation does not fall. You two are blinded by that scat with such depth that you that you lose your way , groping and hoping that that old dead fart (darwin) is right.

I don’t quite feel sorry for you yet, but if you keep spewing the same ripened swill I will respect your Alzheimer’s for what it is, and extend a professional courtesy to you. Like free medical advice, instead of trying to teach a brain is apparently diseased.

mb

[MerlinsByte]

BY MERLIN...God is dead? Darwin is dead for sure. Darwinism is dead, the old new THEORY of evolution is dead, or it very well smells like over done rotten Bullcrap!

BY STARBOY...This again illustrates how ignorant you are. Darwin is dead. You can go to his grave if you like. He never claimed to be a god. He was a man. He lived and died like all men have and do. His theory is no more either. Like all scientific theories it changes over time. But who cares what you think the current theory smells like. Your reasoning abilities, your education and your honesty are in such disrepute that your olfactory evaluation is of no interest.

Merlin sez....ahhhh' starboy get off the crack and read my post again (and again) sound out the words... very slow and ...I did say Darwin is dead...wait! I will make it a bit more simple and quote myself......

" Darwin is dead for sure...MerlinsByte"

learn english before you comment and reveal your sub 50 IQ again.

and if i visit Charles Darwins grave , it will be to piss on it.

mb

[rez]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin writes....Let me explain the real issue here to you and star boy. You believe the religion of evolution I believe the in a modified creation theory with intelligent design. We as individuals believe what we want to. When I posted my original ideas I did not claim (as you and starry boy do) that mine was the only acceptable theory. Furthermore, you don’t really know what I believe in respect to evolutionary theory, or what my education is or, what my detailed take on creation theory is, or what just about anything else, now do you? You do know I disagree with self-indulgent fantasies and studies in meek submission. That last sentence explains you and star boy in painful detail. You acquiescently take Darwin’s theory up the place where solar radiation does not fall. You two are blinded by that scat with such depth that you that you lose your way , groping and hoping that that old dead fart (darwin) is right. I don’t quite feel sorry for you yet, but if you keep spewing the same ripened swill I will respect your Alzheimer’s for what it is, and extend a professional courtesy to you. Like free medical advice, instead of trying to teach a brain is apparently diseased. mb

So after trying to debunk evolution and failing miserably, you now want to go your seperate way.

[MerlinsByte]

BY REZ..So after trying to debunk evolution and failing miserably, you now want to go your seperate way.

Oh no I am here as long as allowed by the owner. This chaos is my comfort zone.

And rez...I am debunking that the theory of evolution is an acceptable theory it isn't. Its majical thinking in the guise of science. Read son read.

trivia question

Who paid for the defense at the scopes money trial in Tennessee?

mb

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin sez....ahhhh' starboy get off the crack and read my post again (and again) sound out the words... very slow and ...I did say Darwin is dead...wait! I will make it a bit more simple and quote myself...... " Darwin is dead for sure...MerlinsByte" learn english before you comment and reveal your sub 50 IQ again. and if i visit Charles Darwins grave , it will be to piss on it. mb

Good for you Merlin. Pissing on graves is probably the best argument you have.

Starboy

[MerlinsByte]

I didn't say my argument was pissing on graves. That would be a statement of intent (for me to piss on Darwin's grave)

Read again starboy. sigh.

I said you misquoted me.Or could not read english. take your pick.

I never said Darwin was alive I said the old fart was dead. You read my post wrong. I know its difficult but you must read anothers opinion before criticizing it, not to do so is bigotry and prejudiced.
again take your pick.





mb

[MerlinsByte]

By Pooeypants...Seems like you have nothing to actually back up your arguments. Carry on if you wish.

Merlin…Yes , If I accept that, it will be on the basis at least we have something in common, as evolution of the species (and you) has nothing to back up its arguments either.

mb

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin…Yes , If I accept that, it will be on the basis at least we have something in common, as evolution of the species (and you) has nothing to back up its arguments either. mb

How do you mean? Are you saying that the evidences for evolution are all fraudulent? If I cite some which includes how they can be refuted, that you'd actually have the corresponding data to do so? Is that what you are claiming?

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Merlin writes....Let me explain the real issue here to you and star boy. You believe the religion of evolution I believe the in a modified creation theory with intelligent design. We as individuals believe what we want to. When I posted my original ideas I did not claim (as you and starry boy do) that mine was the only acceptable theory. Furthermore, you don’t really know what I believe in respect to evolutionary theory, or what my education is or, what my detailed take on creation theory is, or what just about anything else, now do you? mb

Actually, we have a very good idea what your conceptions of evolution is. Your starting arguments and proceeding posts revealed how little you know or that what you know is infact a load of old tosh created by mind's which is unwilling to accept reality.

[TruthSeeker]

Why do both of you think that one of your opinions has to be correct and the other's incorrect?

That's very simplistic.

Evolution and Creation are one and the same thing.

Creation is what is happening in this moment.
Evolution is our perception of those changes over time and therefore it appears linear.

Both of you seem to be intent on proving your point, but neither can see that you are arguing opposite sides of the same coin.

Just because you love chocolate, that doesn't mean you have to hate vanilla.

[MerlinsByte]

by truthseeker...Why do both of you think that one of your opinions has to be correct and the other's incorrect?

I don't say that my opinion is correct. I say that I could be correct. I don’t say evolution is all wrong Evolution of the species may be correct. What I do say is I can’t believe in evolution of the species by natural selection the way it is written in textbooks for example.

Pooey seems to accept the textbook swill without question.

So evolution of the species by natural may be correct. (After it is updated, changed and or amended to meet today’s demands of empirical proof. (and of course others).

Tomorrow it could be wrong as it was in the past (that is using fraudulent evidence to support the theory)

Mb

ps I agree with you, truth seeker, and admire your way of thinking.

[MerlinsByte]

My pooey...How do you mean? Are you saying that the evidences for evolution are all fraudulent? If I cite some which includes how they can be refuted, that you'd actually have the corresponding data to do so? Is that what you are claiming?

pooey do you have any hair left by now? Or have you pulled it all out responding to my posts?. I shave my head but tug on my goatee which is very long.

No all examples of traditional evolution are fraudulent. The dino feathers for example. However I think it is more likely that there has been genetic manipulation along the way by something intelligent. (God or?)

Hey the spring national drag races (bristol) are this week end and I'm ready to snort some nitromethane and post some real shit. ahhh yes


mb

[MerlinsByte]

you know or that what you know is infact a load of old tosh created by mind's which is unwilling to accept reality.

Depends on what reality is and even this has been debated for over 3000 years.I think we create our own reality, my fellow debater.

mb



Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

Albert Einstein