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Old Apr 12, 2005, 04:56 pm   #141 (permalink) (top)
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When good make war against evil, evil has won

Anybody understands this statement?
Yeah. Two wrongs don't make a right. I just don't think it's always true. Sometimes I think you have to fight fire with fire and evil with evil, to defeat evil.

Not always, but sometimes. It takes compassionate wisdom to decide when. Like I said, the world isn't black and white, it's composed of shades of grey.


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Old Apr 12, 2005, 08:18 pm   #142 (permalink) (top)
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Two wrongs are the only way to make a right.
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Old Apr 12, 2005, 09:39 pm   #143 (permalink) (top)
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The war between good and evil the devil's game, because the rules of the game is of the devil.

For good to win, good cannot surrender to the rules of evil, and if good surrender to the rules of evil, good become evil.

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Old Apr 12, 2005, 09:42 pm   #144 (permalink) (top)
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So how can good win?

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Old Apr 12, 2005, 09:56 pm   #145 (permalink) (top)
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"by playing by the rules of good and ignoring evil thus its made out that evil doesn't exist hence the premise of the initial post"

is that where ur going with this Paul?


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Old Apr 12, 2005, 10:08 pm   #146 (permalink) (top)
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So how can good win?
And how do you define good? From the Biblical perspective, war resolved a lot of issues in the name of God, which was good.

And if indeed, "For good to win, good cannot surrender to the rules of evil, and if good surrender to the rules of evil, good become evil." and war is the only way to defeat evil, then perhaps war, like plague, is not in itself evil but merely the indifferent instrument of good or evil.

But then who decides what's good and what's evil? It still strikes me that there are far too many grey areas between the two. After all, "Gott Mit Uns."

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Old Apr 12, 2005, 10:35 pm   #147 (permalink) (top)
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Good doesn't win. That's the point.
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Old Apr 13, 2005, 08:50 am   #148 (permalink) (top)
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Good can only win by not engaging in evil acts. For example if evil brings the conflict to you rather than resisting you must not resist and die (if necessary) to bring about change. There are other options for good of course. Avoidance being the main one that is employed. Evil cannot engage what it cannot find.


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Old Apr 13, 2005, 12:57 pm   #149 (permalink) (top)
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I had assumed you had nothing of substance to say...
Your opinions, stated as facts are what arouses my ire, Gorgo. No doubt we could be friends face to face, since our politics are somewhat congruent. But your constant slanders of people of faith, based upon your own opinions, stated as facts, are unwarranted. There is NO evidence of the non-existence of God. You receive support in your minority position on this issue from the many atheists on this board, but that doesn't prove your position, either. To label all who believe in God as lunatics is itself an extreme and logically faulty opinion. To continue to state it as a fact is infuriating to those who know your position remains unproven.

The personifications of good and evil may remain logically unproven to skeptics. To me, human nature exhibits both characteristics, good and evil. But then we must define the terms good and evil. And some would argue that these terms are subjective. That one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I take a more absolutist position, but I can see the other side. You, Gorgo, argue forcefully that the Bush Regime are criminals. I would agree, but my opinion is based upon their hypocrisy, saying one thing while doing another. How do you defend your allegations of criminality? I think they are Satanic, masquerading as Christians in order to defame the honorable name of Jesus...


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Old Apr 13, 2005, 01:13 pm   #150 (permalink) (top)
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If God does not exist then Bush's actions are rational, in my opinion...
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Old Apr 13, 2005, 01:24 pm   #151 (permalink) (top)
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Why would that be?

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Old Apr 13, 2005, 01:48 pm   #152 (permalink) (top)
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Your perception of yourself and your world are what "arouse your ire." I am just a convenient receptacle of that ire.

What I state as "fact," I state as fact because I think it's unecessary to add 'imho' to everything. I assume everyone knows that it is just my stupid opinion.

I have called no one a lunatic. If you can find an instance of that, I'll apologize to the victim. If anything, I have asked people to respect themselves as much as I respect them by losing the need for these kinds of ideas.

There is lots of evidence for the non-existence of god. Lots of reasonable evidence. The biggest of which is that people have made them up for centuries. Since there is no reasonable evidence for their existence, that alone is enough. When you start defining god(s), then the reasonable evidence piles up even farther. I don't have to go into those details, you've heard all of them before.

Human nature does not exhibit evil and good forces, as in Satan and God. People do constructive things and people do destructive things. We get all sorts of wrong-headed ideas.

I have shown lots of evidence for the criminality of the Bush regime. If you'd like to get into it again, take a look http://cesr.org/filestore2/download/523 .



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Your opinions, stated as facts are what arouses my ire, Gorgo. No doubt we could be friends face to face, since our politics are somewhat congruent. But your constant slanders of people of faith, based upon your own opinions, stated as facts, are unwarranted. There is NO evidence of the non-existence of God. You receive support in your minority position on this issue from the many atheists on this board, but that doesn't prove your position, either. To label all who believe in God as lunatics is itself an extreme and logically faulty opinion. To continue to state it as a fact is infuriating to those who know your position remains unproven.

The personifications of good and evil may remain logically unproven to skeptics. To me, human nature exhibits both characteristics, good and evil. But then we must define the terms good and evil. And some would argue that these terms are subjective. That one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I take a more absolutist position, but I can see the other side. You, Gorgo, argue forcefully that the Bush Regime are criminals. I would agree, but my opinion is based upon their hypocrisy, saying one thing while doing another. How do you defend your allegations of criminality? I think they are Satanic, masquerading as Christians in order to defame the honorable name of Jesus...
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Old Apr 13, 2005, 01:55 pm   #153 (permalink) (top)
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Criminality? How so? They are merely following Darwin's model. They are the strong and we are the weak. Why should they care about anything else if there is no heaven or hell? In fact, these guys actually make a lot of sense now that you mention it. I see the neoconservative movement in a whole new light now.
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Old Apr 13, 2005, 02:05 pm   #154 (permalink) (top)
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From a logical standpoint, if the premise is that life is something that should be destroyed, then one could reach the logical conclusion that it's a good idea to support Bush. From any kind of standpoint that life is something that might be fun, then it's not so logical.

Either way, by their own standards, they are criminals.

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