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Sonart · Apr 7, 2005, 02:43 pm

Question: is sin the same as evil?

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tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 03:55 pm

I think evil implies malice.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 03:56 pm

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Welll if there is a Satan then there is a God. Thanks for clearing that up Gorgo.

Or maybe there's just Satan.

Maybe we all go to hell regardless of what happens.

ericsp23 · Apr 7, 2005, 04:12 pm

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No, evil and good are real tangible realities. Anyone who think that there is no absoulte good or evil is deluding themselves.

So you say. Can you give me any reason why I should change my own personal views on the matter just because you say so?

LogicaLunatic · Apr 7, 2005, 04:37 pm

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No, evil and good are real tangible realities. Anyone who think that there is no absoulte good or evil is deluding themselves.

Live is both evil and good. I ask you to demonstrate how evil or good would exist if life did not.

**Chris the Chees** · Apr 7, 2005, 04:54 pm

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No, evil and good are real tangible realities. Anyone who think that there is no absoulte good or evil is deluding themselves.

I disagree, nobody thinks that they them selves are evil. It is a label attributed too them by observers.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 7, 2005, 04:55 pm

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So you say. Can you give me any reason why I should change my own personal views on the matter just because you say so?

No, I cannot write anything that is going to make you see that there is absolute good and absolute evil in this world. If you haven't found that out by now, I don't think anything you rad ona forum is going to alter your perception.

ericsp23 · Apr 7, 2005, 05:17 pm

There is no right or wrong answer on a topic like this. People choose to see the world in different ways. Who is to say that any particular way is the correct way?
I could just as easily dismiss your point of view as you did mine.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 7, 2005, 06:21 pm

I didn't dismiss it, I just pointed out I cannot sway you with mere words.

If you want real world examples... Mother Teresa and Adolph Hitler.

Hows that for a start?

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 06:35 pm

And why are those people good or evil in any sense?

Gorgo · Apr 7, 2005, 06:46 pm

Reality doesn't change because people are afraid of life and feel the need to create fantasy worlds with gods and demons.

Good and evil are not forces "out there." They are relative to the goals that humans choose, and that's all.

People do destructive things, people do constructive things. Everyone does the best they can with what they know. Not what you or I think they should know, or even what they think they should know, but what they know. Everybody. Including you and me.

To throw ghosts and demons into the mix is to bring us back to the Middle Ages.

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There is no right or wrong answer on a topic like this. People choose to see the world in different ways.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 7, 2005, 06:55 pm

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And why are those people good or evil in any sense?

You tell me how you see them.

One devouted her entire life to helping the poor, the other to world conquest and mass murder.

I donnu about you, but it's pretty damn clear what's what.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 07:05 pm

To you, it's clear.

But that's not a reason as to why it should be as clear for any other person.

**Pooeypants** · Apr 7, 2005, 07:06 pm

Without good, there can be no evil.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 7, 2005, 07:14 pm

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To you, it's clear.

But that's not a reason as to why it should be as clear for any other person.

And it's that kind of thinking that scares me, seriously. If you can explain how anyone couild view hitler as anything less then evil, by all means, by the same token, show how Mother Teresa was not good.. by all means.

Lacking the ability to see good as good ans evil as evil is a frightening development in this world we live in.

Agent007 · Apr 7, 2005, 07:46 pm

we should fight against satan.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 7, 2005, 07:53 pm

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we should fight against satan.

Everytime you do a kind act for a strnager, pray and give thanks to the Lord, or turn your back on Secular Humanist, you are fighting Satan.

**Pooeypants** · Apr 7, 2005, 08:07 pm

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Everytime you do a kind act for a strnager, pray and give thanks to the Lord, or turn your back on Secular Humanist, you are fighting Satan.

Pray tell, what is a Secular Humanist?

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 08:08 pm

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And it's that kind of thinking that scares me, seriously. If you can explain how anyone couild view hitler as anything less then evil, by all means, by the same token, show how Mother Teresa was not good.. by all means.

Lacking the ability to see good as good ans evil as evil is a frightening development in this world we live in.

My point was that good and evil being bad and/or not bad lies solely in the way you define them.

Sonart · Apr 7, 2005, 08:12 pm

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And it's that kind of thinking that scares me, seriously. If you can explain how anyone couild view hitler as anything less then evil, by all means, by the same token, show how Mother Teresa was not good.. by all means.

Life's simple when you define it with extremes. What of the American expansion west, Mr.V. I daresay that the American lust for more land was manifested in the extermination of entire nations of indigenous people, with no less malice or lack of remorse then that displayed by Hitler. Were Americans, then, evil? Is there like felony evil and misdemeanor evil?

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Everytime you do a kind act for a strnager, pray and give thanks to the Lord, or turn your back on Secular Humanist, you are fighting Satan.

Beg pardon? Not believing in God is evil?

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Apr 7, 2005, 02:43 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Sonart It's simply logical Location: San Diego Posts: 4,564	Question: is sin the same as evil? . I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it

Apr 7, 2005, 05:17 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
ericsp23 Pragmatic liberal Posts: 421	There is no right or wrong answer on a topic like this. People choose to see the world in different ways. Who is to say that any particular way is the correct way? I could just as easily dismiss your point of view as you did mine. Economic Left/Right -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarion -4.41

Apr 7, 2005, 06:21 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	I didn't dismiss it, I just pointed out I cannot sway you with mere words. If you want real world examples... Mother Teresa and Adolph Hitler. Hows that for a start? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 7, 2005, 07:06 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Without good, there can be no evil. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Apr 7, 2005, 03:55 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I think evil implies malice.

Apr 7, 2005, 06:35 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	And why are those people good or evil in any sense?

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tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	To you, it's clear. But that's not a reason as to why it should be as clear for any other person.

Apr 7, 2005, 07:46 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Agent007 BANNED Posts: 302	we should fight against satan.