Is this how conservatives really see us?

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Lou Minotti I harp on the phony right/left BS all day long. Why are you calling me a holocaust denier? And I didn't make the comparison, I was responding to someone else. Seriously, why would you make such a slanderous statement? You've seriously pissed me off.

As you see, when i quoted you, i added emphasis on the word "supposed". You wrote this:

Quote by: Lou Minotti Hitler's supposed 6 million

What was your point of qualifying your "6 million" number if not to call into question the validity of that number?

Sorry this is getting off topic.

[Lou Minotti]

I said supposed because the official number cannot be and is not known. My statement was accurate and in NO WAY an indication I am a "holocaust denier" as you so slanderously put it. If you you made this statement in public, I would sue you and win. Should I pull up my posts regarding my contempt for Hitler and his documented atrocities for you to see or do you want to keep slandering me? I think an apology is in order.

[LogicaLunatic]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Logic, they were both. They go hand in hand. They bulldozed churches and put priests in Gulags. They were proud secular humanists/ communists. Atheism was officially state policy.

Ahh. I was unaware.

Now, I don't think that it's true to say that where atheism/secular humanism exists, communism and this type of behavior will follow. It's more true to say that all communists are atheists but not all atheists are communists.

What do ya think?

[Lou Minotti]

I think that is accurate. And I will state for the record that I think most atheism is not necessarily a "non belief" in God, rather, an admission that they simply don't know the answers to life's questions. The problem is people evolving from not believing in God to believing that they are or can become God, developing a deep contempt for humanity in many cases. "Atheism" may annoy me somewhat, but megalomania is the true enemy.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Lou Minotti I said supposed because the official number cannot be and is not known.

If that is what you meant, then "estimated" would be a better word to use, it would have carried the same meaning without the connotation that you are skeptical of that figure. It further gained that meaning when juxtaposed with your other number of 100 million deaths caused by Communists in the same sentence, which was not qualified at all and therefore connoted accuracy.

If you you made this statement in public,

I did.

I would sue you and win.

No, you wouldn't. But that's beside the point.

Should I pull up my posts regarding my contempt for Hitler and his documented atrocities for you to see or do you want to keep slandering me? I think an apology is in order.

I was merely questioning why you would phrase that sentence in a way which I read as you questioning the magnitude of the Holocaust. In my debates with real Holocaust "revisionists," they have often used that exact phrasing ("supposed 6 million") to begin their argument (in an underhanded way). Obviously you aren't one of them, but you could have avoided the suggestion by choosing your words more carefully.

[Lou Minotti]

No, you wouldn't. But that's beside the point.

And you claim your in law school???? Go work for the ADL. They have people who strut around and talk sh*t just like you only to end up paying millions to settle defamation lawsuits. You didn't ask a question, you called me a "holocaust denier" (note the small h: Hitler's atrocities were a holocaust, not the). You would have your @ss handed to you. Keep studying.


(Just realized you aren't in law school. My mistake.)

[tivodan1116]

I have. Blum v. State (255 A.D.2nd 878, 680 N.Y.S.2nd 355) says that in order to prove libel and slander, the plaintiff must prove by preponderance that the defendant's comments were not only false but made with malice, that is, intending to cause damage. The case is binding in 4th Department of NY, where I live and thus the jurisdiction where the comment was written. I suspect that even if you could establish a different jurisdiction, there would be similar case law. Model civil and penal codes generally have libel and slander requiring four elements:
1) a published statement;
2) that is untrue;
3) and causes harm;
4) and was made with a malicious intent.

There would be a massive uphill battle, taking the entire thread into evidence, to both prove that my statement was patently false and malicious based upon what you said. It's a matter of escalation of venue. My statement was in response to a statement that (I could show) a reasonable person could read and infer that you are questioning the scope of the WWII holocaust. I posted a reply to your statement in the same thread, read only by people who had read your original statement. That further conversation bore out that you were not, in fact, a denier, would actually go toward my side of the case, since it tends to show that my comments were not malicious. On the other hand, your obsenity-laden post that contains virtually no factual information would certainly not help your case.

[UmSamir]

Quote by: LogicaLunatic W.....T.....F

This is one of those alarming alarmist things that's meant to get the 'average' uninformed dufus in a frenzy of Fascism so they'll be sure to vote ofr the next repub who wants to control the world's petroleum wealth.

The people who would read it and believe it are stupid and need to be led around like sheep.

[UmSamir]

Quote by: Lou Minotti I think that is accurate. And I will state for the record that I think most atheism is not necessarily a "non belief" in God, rather, an admission that they simply don't know the answers to life's questions. The problem is people evolving from not believing in God to believing that they are or can become God, developing a deep contempt for humanity in many cases. "Atheism" may annoy me somewhat, but megalomania is the true enemy.

I'll have to differ here. Most Atheists I know think believing in God is like the Santa thing, just too far fetchedfor intelligent people to swallow.

[LogicaLunatic]

Quote by: Lou Minotti I think that is accurate. And I will state for the record that I think most atheism is not necessarily a "non belief" in God, rather, an admission that they simply don't know the answers to life's questions. The problem is people evolving from not believing in God to believing that they are or can become God, developing a deep contempt for humanity in many cases. "Atheism" may annoy me somewhat, but megalomania is the true enemy.

It appears we agree :)

[Samildanach]

Agnosticism is for people who don't know. Atheism is for people who dont believe.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Lou Minotti I said supposed because the official number cannot be and is not known.

The figures are pretty well established. The Nazis were good record keepers. The figure is over eleven million. Six million were Jews. Five millions others included Romanies, homosexuals and Christian dissidents.