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RickSp · Apr 5, 2005, 07:22 pm

Mr. V, you never fail to impress. Linda Kimball only wants to reverse the Enlightenment and send us all back into the Dark Ages and you are cheering her along.

She is actually very funny - a militant fundamentalist who therefore turns around and rants about "militant" athiests." It is as if she is ranting at the mirror.

rez · Apr 5, 2005, 07:40 pm

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Ya know what's really funny, you guys forget something.

The Republicans keep winning, the dems keep losing.

Which by your rejection of anything this guy has to say, and Gorgo's critic... It would seem the Dems are gonna stay in their current losing pattern...

You guys just don't get it do you?

yeah but you think people who smoke pot are less capable of driving safe...your way off...yet you still think its true...i just dont trust anything you say...sorry.

JamesMcBride · Apr 5, 2005, 08:14 pm

I am always reduced to laughter when I read such rants. She tells of the scourge of Evolution and it's bastard child - that of Nietzsche's "Death of God"... I wonder though, if she has ever stopped to examine her own belief systems....

ericsp23 · Apr 5, 2005, 08:32 pm

This is typical scapegoating. It is a tactic used by virtually all groups with autocratic aspirations. Its all about divide and conquer. Get the masses riled up about some group that has all these evil intentions and blame them for everything that is wrong with the world so that the people are distracted while you rob them of their freedom and/or money. And if that group happens to be your ideological opposite so much the better. Every autocratic regime in modern times has used this technique to some degree or another.

Lilith · Apr 5, 2005, 11:00 pm

I think Eric, put it quite nicely. This article was awful and the person who wrote it is a mean spirited, hateful individual. Dripping with virulence.

Gorgo · Apr 6, 2005, 04:05 am

Okay, you didn't make a comparison, my mistake. Hitler is not the only person who called himself a Christian who murdered, in fact, most criminals say they believe in god, they don't call themselves atheists.

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Can you point out what I posted that could be considered a comparison? I'm not following you? Besides ,Hitler's atrocities pale in comparison to Stalin and Mao's, now that you mention it.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 6, 2005, 06:09 am

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yeah but you think people who smoke pot are less capable of driving safe...your way off...yet you still think its true...i just dont trust anything you say...sorry.

That you think marijuana has no effect on a persons judgement thus makes them safe to drive makes me question YOUR ability to make sound calls on what's right.

When you are high on MJ, you have taken a drug that alters your mind, that's absolutely the WORST thing you can do before getting behind the wheel of a car. But hey, you think someone whose mind is wired with mind altering substances is good to go at 70+...

Whatever man.

Samildanach · Apr 6, 2005, 07:02 am

The only thing I got out of that article was an overwhelming sense of fear and anger by the author that someone could dare to consider an alternative belief system and the justification of demonisation of that group. As for the atheist revolution....its called people finally starting to wake up and face harsh reality with no wrapping up in cotton wool.
Funny that as the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God, apart from the few that are so indoctrinated that to abandon God would be to have a personality collapse because their belief in God is such a cornerstone in their lives....and the right calls this a revolution.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 6, 2005, 07:19 am

Sam, I will not argue this person has a rather abrasive approach to the issues, nor will I argue they are talking down anyone that disagrees. I don't like that approach as a general rule. Could it be this is a vent by the author. Tired of playing nice and lashing out?

Oh and I disagree with your assessment about "the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God..."

Were in the middle of a religious revival in America and you say that with a straight face?

Gorgo · Apr 6, 2005, 08:24 am

Well said. Either this author is putting us on to make a buck, or there is something seriously wrong with her.

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Funny that as the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God, apart from the few that are so indoctrinated that to abandon God would be to have a personality collapse because their belief in God is such a cornerstone in their lives....and the right calls this a revolution.

Samildanach · Apr 6, 2005, 10:53 am

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Oh and I disagree with your assessment about "the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God..."

Were in the middle of a religious revival in America and you say that with a straight face?

That says more about the type/quality of the information disseminated in america over standard media more than anything else. It demonstrates to me perfectly how your media manipulates your population and gives you only warped (American friendly) versions of the truth.

Not to mention any religious revivial which may or may not be taking place (I am not up on the current religious scene in america right now) could easily be a consequence of peoples future predictions for the American economy under Bushs insane economic policy, they probably figure to get in good with the church now because in about three years time they are going to need those handouts.

Lou Minotti · Apr 6, 2005, 11:03 am

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Ya know what's really funny, you guys forget something.

The Republicans keep winning, the dems keep losing.

Which by your rejection of anything this guy has to say, and Gorgo's critic... It would seem the Dems are gonna stay in their current losing pattern...

You guys just don't get it do you?

Funny, your attempt to throw it in "their " face is simply an indication of the problem. This isn't about anything except being on the winning for you. Keep it up. Your time is coming again real soon when the system gets another shake up and another Clinton is put in to give you seemingly opposing rhetoric (while basically being a carbon copy of Bush). The compromised and corrupted global elite keep winning. The American people keep losing.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 6, 2005, 11:28 am

Lou, Being on the winning team means the American PEOPLE agree with my views more so then they do with yours. Teh ultimate judge? The people. The have spoken... and speaking of another Clinton.. you mean the SAME Democrat President who while yes, was re-elected, also saw his party sufffer the worst lossess in the House and Senate in living memory? I dunno, I can deal with that I think. Another Clinton to stack the House and Senate... not a bad trade.

LogicaLunatic · Apr 6, 2005, 11:42 am

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Both actually. And much of the left is partly responsible for these deaths.

No, they were militant communists. Some may have been atheists too. Does that mean atheism killed hundreds of millions? No. Some of the militant communists were white too :) Ohhhhhh watch out for Whitey.

Lou Minotti · Apr 6, 2005, 11:58 am

Logic, they were both. They go hand in hand. They bulldozed churches and put priests in Gulags. They were proud secular humanists/ communists. Atheism was officially state policy.

And Vicchio, if people had real information to make real decisions, your incredibly laughable paradigm would fade rather quickly, imo.

DigitalDjigit · Apr 6, 2005, 12:08 pm

Who cares if Bolsheviks or Catholics killed more people? They are both systems of control, both are evil, both killed million of people. So Bolsheviks buldosed Churches, how is that worse than heretics being burned at the stake?

Lou Minotti · Apr 6, 2005, 12:08 pm

No one said it was. What are you talking about?

tivodan1116 · Apr 6, 2005, 12:35 pm

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Huh? So Hitler's supposed 6 million is worth more than over 100 million simply because he had I.B.M. computers?

(emphasis added)

A Holocaust denier, huh? That's smart.

At any rate, I find it pointless to bicker over differences between the so-called "left" and "right", and even more pointless to bicker over "Democrat" vs. "Republican." Do you people realize that the reason the past two presidential elections have been so close is because there is no substanitive difference between the two major parties anymore.

Both parties are bought and sold by special interests, both expand the size and scope of government at every possible turn, both continously pass laws that are beyond the Founding Fathers' intent for government, et cetera ad nauseum. Arguing whether the Democrats or Republicans are responsible for the problems of our country is like arguing whether green is a better color then yellow - pointless.

Lou Minotti · Apr 6, 2005, 12:38 pm

I harp on the phony right/left BS all day long. Why are you calling me a holocaust denier? And I didn't make the comparison, I was responding to someone else. Seriously, why would you make such a slanderous statement? You've seriously pissed me off.

DigitalDjigit · Apr 6, 2005, 12:41 pm

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No one said it was. What are you talking about?

Yeah, what the hell WAS I talking about?? hehe, sorry, got distracted.

Apr 5, 2005, 07:22 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	Mr. V, you never fail to impress. Linda Kimball only wants to reverse the Enlightenment and send us all back into the Dark Ages and you are cheering her along. She is actually very funny - a militant fundamentalist who therefore turns around and rants about "militant" athiests." It is as if she is ranting at the mirror. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis Last edited by RickSp; Apr 5, 2005 at 07:27 pm.

Apr 5, 2005, 08:32 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
ericsp23 Pragmatic liberal Posts: 421	This is typical scapegoating. It is a tactic used by virtually all groups with autocratic aspirations. Its all about divide and conquer. Get the masses riled up about some group that has all these evil intentions and blame them for everything that is wrong with the world so that the people are distracted while you rob them of their freedom and/or money. And if that group happens to be your ideological opposite so much the better. Every autocratic regime in modern times has used this technique to some degree or another. Economic Left/Right -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarion -4.41

Apr 5, 2005, 11:00 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
Lilith It's my life Location: Texas Posts: 532	I think Eric, put it quite nicely. This article was awful and the person who wrote it is a mean spirited, hateful individual. Dripping with virulence. If you want the country to go to hell in a handbasket, then vote for the one who can drive you there blindfolded.

Apr 6, 2005, 07:02 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	The only thing I got out of that article was an overwhelming sense of fear and anger by the author that someone could dare to consider an alternative belief system and the justification of demonisation of that group. As for the atheist revolution....its called people finally starting to wake up and face harsh reality with no wrapping up in cotton wool. Funny that as the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God, apart from the few that are so indoctrinated that to abandon God would be to have a personality collapse because their belief in God is such a cornerstone in their lives....and the right calls this a revolution. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Apr 6, 2005, 07:19 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Sam, I will not argue this person has a rather abrasive approach to the issues, nor will I argue they are talking down anyone that disagrees. I don't like that approach as a general rule. Could it be this is a vent by the author. Tired of playing nice and lashing out? Oh and I disagree with your assessment about "the more information is disseminated the less people believe in God..." Were in the middle of a religious revival in America and you say that with a straight face? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 5, 2005, 08:14 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
JamesMcBride Canoe Champ Location: London, UK Posts: 171	I am always reduced to laughter when I read such rants. She tells of the scourge of Evolution and it's bastard child - that of Nietzsche's "Death of God"... I wonder though, if she has ever stopped to examine her own belief systems....

Apr 6, 2005, 11:28 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Lou, Being on the winning team means the American PEOPLE agree with my views more so then they do with yours. Teh ultimate judge? The people. The have spoken... and speaking of another Clinton.. you mean the SAME Democrat President who while yes, was re-elected, also saw his party sufffer the worst lossess in the House and Senate in living memory? I dunno, I can deal with that I think. Another Clinton to stack the House and Senate... not a bad trade. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 6, 2005, 11:58 am	#35 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	Logic, they were both. They go hand in hand. They bulldozed churches and put priests in Gulags. They were proud secular humanists/ communists. Atheism was officially state policy. And Vicchio, if people had real information to make real decisions, your incredibly laughable paradigm would fade rather quickly, imo.

Apr 6, 2005, 12:08 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
DigitalDjigit Sedimentary Rock Posts: 8	Who cares if Bolsheviks or Catholics killed more people? They are both systems of control, both are evil, both killed million of people. So Bolsheviks buldosed Churches, how is that worse than heretics being burned at the stake?

Apr 6, 2005, 12:08 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	No one said it was. What are you talking about?

Apr 6, 2005, 12:38 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	I harp on the phony right/left BS all day long. Why are you calling me a holocaust denier? And I didn't make the comparison, I was responding to someone else. Seriously, why would you make such a slanderous statement? You've seriously pissed me off. Last edited by Lou Minotti; Apr 6, 2005 at 12:42 pm.