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orgaelin · Apr 2, 2005, 05:55 pm

Hi folks. I'm submitting the following post a week later than would have suited, but I'm sure you'll all still find it enlightening!

It's about the "Christian" celebration of "Easter", which was in fact only a borrowed Pagan celebration called Eostre.

For the Christian form of Eostre, it all started in 664 in Whitby, England. At this time it was the Celtic church which reigned supreme throughout what was to become Britain. In this year, a synod took place that became the first victory for the Roman bishops over the Celtic church. It was decided there that the festival of Eostre, the ancient goddess of spring, would be subsumed into the mainstream Christian framework.

The reason for this was that the Catholic church wanted to 'de-Jewify' their religion, by removing Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection from it's association with the Passover. The Eostre celebration, however, was a celebration of fertility, not Jesus! Thus the new hybrid celebration incorporated elements of the pagan Celtic church's beliefs too.

For example, a long-standing custom at Eostre was the giving of a brightly coloured egg to friends and family - Eostre eggs. The symbolism was entirely related to fertility, hence its timing at the beginning of spring, and it was from the word Eostre that the word 'estrogen' is derived.

How fascinating it is that the church should adopt a pagan set of beliefs while simultaneously condemning paganism. Imagine if this was widespread knowledge. Imagine if every Catholic knew their church had lied to them about Easter. In fact, forget Easter! What if they all knew about the timing of Christmas being in honour of the pagan festival of Sol Invictus?!

I think we should tell them. Tell them all! It's not nice for them to be lied to.

~ Org.

PatrickHenry · Apr 2, 2005, 10:51 pm

Any documentation on your allegations, Org? In other words, who told you these stories?

orgaelin · Apr 3, 2005, 10:02 am

Actually, there is a book named "De Ratione Temporum" by a *Christian* scholar, "The Venerable Bede" (672-735 CE) and it was in this book that the idea was first suggested. By a Christian!

Similar ideas have since been brought forth by...

"The American Book of Days," by George William Douglas
"Easter: its Story and Meaning," by Alan W. Watts
"Easter and its customs," by Christina Hole

You can find your own references about the Synod of Whitby. I'm sure you've used other books than the bible? Actually maybe not. Nevertheless, I'll leave it to you.

Does the documentation (not that you'll ever bother reading anything that goes against your beliefs (apart from my lovely posts!)) make you feel any better?

Also, since your only cuonter-argumen was that I had no references to my claims, and now I have provided the references... you have no counter argument, and thus I presume you accept that either A) I am right, or B) You are wrong!

So which is it?

~ Org.

PS. I love our little chats!

Lilith · Apr 3, 2005, 12:53 pm

What kills me is that most people have no clue that Easter does not have it's roots in *pagan* religions...I have stated this before...there is no original religion...Chrisitianity absorbed alot of the pagan practices of the local folk they tried to convert, so the local folk would be more apt to convert to Christianity. The chruch "Christianized" the local practices.

Take this for instance...one of the many names for the Virgin is "Queen of Heaven"...another name for the Goddess, a religion that had existed for eons before a man named Jesus came along. The list goes on and on.

Here's a link of mine concerning Easter...all very interesting.

http://www.churchofgodsa.com/NewHori...orizons32.html

tripimollee · Apr 3, 2005, 02:24 pm

And of course I'm sure that not many people know that Groundhog Day, though it's not a church holiday, has nevertheless been pushed into the mainstream by covering over the ancient holiday of Imbolgc...( I think I spelled it right, it's been a while since I ventured out of the brrom closet...lol)

RickSp · Apr 3, 2005, 02:42 pm

For all of history man has celebrated the Winter solstice and the Vernal Equinox. Religious holidays tend to cluster around these astronomical events for good and simple reasons. The Christians co-opted the holiday dates of other religions. Not a lot of mystery to it.

On an only slightly tangential topic, I understand that at the White House Easter Egg Hunt, no eggs were found. The President, however, expressed confidence that eggs would at some point be discovered.

tripimollee · Apr 3, 2005, 03:07 pm

"On an only slightly tangential topic, I understand that at the White House Easter Egg Hunt, no eggs were found. The President, however, expressed confidence that eggs would at some point be discovered."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I love it.

UmSamir · Apr 7, 2005, 12:22 am

Quote:

Quote by: PatrickHenry

Any documentation on your allegations, Org? In other words, who told you these stories?

Have you never heard this, Mr. Henry?

Apr 2, 2005, 05:55 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 720	Origins of Easter (a week late!) Hi folks. I'm submitting the following post a week later than would have suited, but I'm sure you'll all still find it enlightening! It's about the "Christian" celebration of "Easter", which was in fact only a borrowed Pagan celebration called Eostre. For the Christian form of Eostre, it all started in 664 in Whitby, England. At this time it was the Celtic church which reigned supreme throughout what was to become Britain. In this year, a synod took place that became the first victory for the Roman bishops over the Celtic church. It was decided there that the festival of Eostre, the ancient goddess of spring, would be subsumed into the mainstream Christian framework. The reason for this was that the Catholic church wanted to 'de-Jewify' their religion, by removing Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection from it's association with the Passover. The Eostre celebration, however, was a celebration of fertility, not Jesus! Thus the new hybrid celebration incorporated elements of the pagan Celtic church's beliefs too. For example, a long-standing custom at Eostre was the giving of a brightly coloured egg to friends and family - Eostre eggs. The symbolism was entirely related to fertility, hence its timing at the beginning of spring, and it was from the word Eostre that the word 'estrogen' is derived. How fascinating it is that the church should adopt a pagan set of beliefs while simultaneously condemning paganism. Imagine if this was widespread knowledge. Imagine if every Catholic knew their church had lied to them about Easter. In fact, forget Easter! What if they all knew about the timing of Christmas being in honour of the pagan festival of Sol Invictus?! I think we should tell them. Tell them all! It's not nice for them to be lied to. ~ Org. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Apr 2, 2005, 10:51 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,444	Any documentation on your allegations, Org? In other words, who told you these stories? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 3, 2005, 10:02 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 720	Actually, there is a book named "De Ratione Temporum" by a Christian scholar, "The Venerable Bede" (672-735 CE) and it was in this book that the idea was first suggested. By a Christian! Similar ideas have since been brought forth by... "The American Book of Days," by George William Douglas "Easter: its Story and Meaning," by Alan W. Watts "Easter and its customs," by Christina Hole You can find your own references about the Synod of Whitby. I'm sure you've used other books than the bible? Actually maybe not. Nevertheless, I'll leave it to you. Does the documentation (not that you'll ever bother reading anything that goes against your beliefs (apart from my lovely posts!)) make you feel any better? Also, since your only cuonter-argumen was that I had no references to my claims, and now I have provided the references... you have no counter argument, and thus I presume you accept that either A) I am right, or B) You are wrong! So which is it? ~ Org. PS. I love our little chats! "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Apr 3, 2005, 12:53 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Lilith It's my life Location: Texas Posts: 532	What kills me is that most people have no clue that Easter does not have it's roots in pagan religions...I have stated this before...there is no original religion...Chrisitianity absorbed alot of the pagan practices of the local folk they tried to convert, so the local folk would be more apt to convert to Christianity. The chruch "Christianized" the local practices. Take this for instance...one of the many names for the Virgin is "Queen of Heaven"...another name for the Goddess, a religion that had existed for eons before a man named Jesus came along. The list goes on and on. Here's a link of mine concerning Easter...all very interesting. http://www.churchofgodsa.com/NewHori...orizons32.html If you want the country to go to hell in a handbasket, then vote for the one who can drive you there blindfolded.

Apr 3, 2005, 02:24 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tripimollee Drrty brrdy Location: Mastic, New York Posts: 92	And of course I'm sure that not many people know that Groundhog Day, though it's not a church holiday, has nevertheless been pushed into the mainstream by covering over the ancient holiday of Imbolgc...( I think I spelled it right, it's been a while since I ventured out of the brrom closet...lol) Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.

Apr 3, 2005, 02:42 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,586	For all of history man has celebrated the Winter solstice and the Vernal Equinox. Religious holidays tend to cluster around these astronomical events for good and simple reasons. The Christians co-opted the holiday dates of other religions. Not a lot of mystery to it. On an only slightly tangential topic, I understand that at the White House Easter Egg Hunt, no eggs were found. The President, however, expressed confidence that eggs would at some point be discovered. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis Last edited by RickSp; Apr 3, 2005 at 02:44 pm.

Apr 3, 2005, 03:07 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
tripimollee Drrty brrdy Location: Mastic, New York Posts: 92	"On an only slightly tangential topic, I understand that at the White House Easter Egg Hunt, no eggs were found. The President, however, expressed confidence that eggs would at some point be discovered." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I love it. Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.