Jesus is an alien form deep space…

[MerlinsByte]

Jesus is an alien form deep space…


“Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear to be magic.” Arthur C. Clarke


Can any thinking person look at the five to seven thousand stars we can see with the naked eye and not believe that there aren’t other races of beings out there? We see only the tiniest fraction of stars that make up our universe. The number of stars is for all practical purposes infinite. Well, if you must know the real number is roughly 100 billion x 100 billion. That's 10000000000000000000000 stars, 10 thousand, billion, billion. ...infinite is easier for me.

In thinking about this number I cant help to fantasize that the Greek gods, elves, demons ,major and lesser gods, (no not the creator of everything, GOD the ID which there is only one), perhaps even Jesus himself was a being from a advanced race.

Blasphemy? Perhaps, perhaps not. What would be blasphemous about thinking even the one "Don" god, the Hebrew creator, was such a being?

Any input from the more traditional Christians or atheists or anyone else that cares to comment here? .....huh?


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[G. Adams]

Methinks someone enjoys Stargate SG-1. Can't blame you, it appeases my geekiness like no other cheesey sci-fi show can.

On your actual points, certainly it's all possible. However if it were, surely they would come down today and attempt to convert us all to their worshippers. Maybe they do, maybe Rev. Sun Myung Moon is actually from alpha centauri. I kinda hope your right, would make life a little more interesting.

[Lilith]

Have you ever heard about the theory that way back when, at the dawn of man, aliens came down and bred with them and us modern humans are the result of that. And when man really refers to God, those aliens are really who he is talking about. Weird.

I've never watched Stargate SG-1....but I have heard alot about it. Hasen't it ran for like 9 years now....maybe I can buy it on dvd? Interesting.

[iHu]

Quote by: Lilith Have you ever heard about the theory that way back when, at the dawn of man, aliens came down and bred with them and us modern humans are the result of that. And when man really refers to God, those aliens are really who he is talking about. Weird.

I wish they had left some evidence!

[MerlinsByte]

(Adams)...Methinks someone enjoys Stargate SG-1. Can't blame you, it appeases my geekiness like no other cheesey sci-fi show can.

Even Jesus must obey the (light) speed limit

Most people who read my posts would think that I am anti science. That is far from the truth! If we could know everything I think that 99 to the nt place of the supernatural could be explained by science! The Nt place is where the one God (the god that created our universe and the Intelligent Creator) lives.

My favorite area of science is the quantum field theory with a strong dose of classical physics, especially how they apply to the religious experience or everyday life. The natural world vexes me to the point that I have been attending night school to learn the advanced math needed to move forward in understanding the finer details of QFT.

I am a serious amateur astronomer and one might say amateur scientist. My day job is heavy with applied science. So it us a happy situation that I find myself in except that, I am also very religious. Some would say devoutly so.

One day years ago, thinking about the paradoxical effects of time travel, and the universe tweaking effects of QFT, It occurred to me that science explains religion and religion explains science! My world was coalescing at last , and everything , including God ,didn’t seem so out of sorts!

I happen to feel that the religions of the world are more accurate than current science in explaining some phenomena and "scientific" processes. You bring up a good point as to why Jesus or Luke Skywalker doesn't just appear and save human kind from all the pain and misery that this world has to offer! This is not as simple of a statement as it first seems!

I will take what the skeptics will say is the easy way out. This back door is called faith. I have the faith that God has a reason for dredging all of us thru the flour of earthly existence before frying us at Armageddon! And I have some concrete ideas other than faith but am not comfortable in relating these ideas yet lest they be supported by research and factual information, stay tuned!


Read your KJV of the bible my friend, The lukeSkywalker JESUS is on his way back here. Earth has a manifist destiny that demand his return. Judging by world events its going to happen soon. Jesus will return and save man from himself, by the time christ the ET, returns we will managed to have destroyed two thirds of life on this planet!…

Why hasten he returned yet? Maybe his time traveling star ship is at max velocity back here now, he has his petal to the metal, and after all ,we do live in a universe governed by natural laws…maybe even Jesus has to obey the light speed limit!

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Oh and BTW my fave science fiction is the trekies TNG> to the next film. Stargate is OK but not my fav....surfin' the rift is great entertainment, its a 3-d type of thing ...on the sci fi channel ....all science fiction is very good for the soul.......

[Lilith]

Alot of what you have to say is interesting Merlin, but it's gonna take alot to convince me that Jesus or any other ET is gonna come floating down out of the clouds to save mankind. I think mankind has to do that for himself.

"Creating reality mini big bang style"-I believe each person has the ability to do that. But I could be wrong....

[MerlinsByte]

By Lilith......."Creating reality mini big bang style"-I believe each person has the ability to do that. But I could be wrong.... __________________ Alot of what you have to say is interesting Merlin, but it's gonna take alot to convince me that Jesus or any other ET is gonna come floating down out of the clouds to save mankind. I think mankind has to do that for himself. "Creating reality mini big bang style"-I believe each person has the ability to do that. But I could be wrong....

Merlin writes...I am so happy that you have a beautiful open mind Lilith, Its so hard not to become bitter and close minded. I feel that you will know when you find a a theory or life quest that has the truth in it....It just happenes, sorta like looking for somthing youve lost..then goiving up on finding it...then finding it in a place totally unexpected..it happens like that.


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ps the little big bang thing is something that I've thought about (and nothing in QFT or classical physics prohibit this interesting idea!) and you are on (what I feel) is the right trek...we are all universes unto ourselves. All separate and alone connected tenuous or casually to everyone's others universes including GODs....but this is another topic!.....

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[anami]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Jesus is an alien form deep space… “Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear to be magic.” Arthur C. Clarke Blasphemy? Perhaps, perhaps not. What would be blasphemous about thinking even the one "Don" god, the Hebrew creator, was such a being? Any input from the more traditional Christians or atheists or anyone else that cares to comment here? .....huh? mb

The prophacy does say that the second coming of the messiah. He comes from the sky ensconced in light.

i wish i had the patience to find the verse for you, but that is the long and the short of it. It's in Revelations.

[orgaelin]

Lilith,

A lot of different people have commented on and contributed to the idea of ancient alien/human interbreeding, and it is a hugely popular idea that never seems to go away. Or if it does, it always comes back!

Personally, much like our friend MerlinsByte, I believe that any notion of aliens and/or angels/heavenly beings are interchangeable - all the same things described/understood in different ways.

I think that a species like humankind shouldn't have evolved on this planet for trillions more years, and that the human race of today is a hybrid of the primitive humanoid forms already present on earth and the more advanced aliens forms that came along and, quite literally, 'played God'!

When reading ancient texts it requires a very stubbornly closed-minded person to not be at least tempted to read these things into their interpretation.

And while I'm not opposed to the idea that aliens might well walk among us, I genuinely do not believe that Jesus was one of them. At least not as an explanation for his "extraordinary abilities". I think that everything miraculous Jesus did can be explained away mundanely, leaving a man with only one peculiarity which was his perception of universal equality among all, in a world and at a time when these values simply weren't shared by anyone else.

Merlinsbyte, I have a huge amount of respect for you and for your mind and I have a strong ability to relate to the things you say even when you don't say them - the little bits of you that are evident between the lines! And so I really was surprised to see you have such strong opinions about the divinity of the big J. I think you and I could talk for days on end about the subject... but I wonder if at any point either of us would even begin to change our minds?!

~ Org.

[MerlinsByte]

I think you and I could talk for days on end about the subject... but I wonder if at any point either of us would even begin to change our minds?!

Thanks for the kind words. I have my days when even Bogie, my sad eyed basset, or cats don't like me. So I'm sure you will see that part of me and I apologize in advance!

Anger is like a umm Volcano, its destructive in the burning lava and explosive force, Pyroclastic flows, etc., but it is also constructive, because it creates new land and has other benefits. So sometimes I let anger go amuck with my hand over my eyes peeking through my fingers hoping that I don't alienate everyone that I am trying to communicate with!

Friendship is a two edged sword in a debate forum! Too much friendship and no one wants to step on the others toes...nah that won't t happen here...will it?

hee hee

While I might not enjoy constructive criticism I respect someone who isn't afraid to critique me...even if they are wrong! ; }>

Again thanks, for the warm fuzzies, and It seems that we are establishing dialogue, and are at the start of some very interesting debates...


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[orgaelin]

No we're not!

[Vee]

It is one of the more plausible explanations and have oft thought it may be the case.

Or a time traveller - using say skis to walk on water, etc. Its still advanced technology compared to the time

[MerlinsByte]

by iHu.......I wish they had left some evidence!

They did look in the mirror.

That is not as cruel as it seems, because we all are of the circumstance evidence. Our ancestors were gods. Or at least exceptionally genetically advanced humanoids (i hope) than we were up to that point in the time line.

Gen 6:4 ‘The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

The first union with angles or demons (or the Nephilim which can be translated in different ways) produced advanced beings, and saved us from the Genocidial wrath of the force or god the ID....

So the bible tells us that some kinky things were going on in the very early days of Hebrewric religion.

Noah must have been confronted with some sexual practices that would make NYC BDS&Ms scene seem tame in comparison! Do tell!!!

Ahhhh‘…


I don’t know if I need to paste this but , My tongue in cheek mention of Noah is my use of artistic licensee , and in no way should be constituted as to diminish Noah , one of my biblical heroes, I was just bringing some levity into this most serious topic…...really!

OK GOD.....

you can release my short and curlies now!

thanks.......


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[Ken Carman]

I have always felt that we were quite possibly a genetic experiment gone wrong, perhaps a slave class meant to serve aliens, creatures from another dimension/reality, a now extinct or "moved on" sentient species... "who" or "where from" being less important than "how." A pop culture version of this was in "Misson to Mars" (??) with Gary Sinese where a previously inhabited Mars, struck by a large meteor, seeded Earth. Once again the specific scenario is less important than the concept that our evolutionary development was given a jumpstart. I just think there's a lot more than we know. Paraphrasing a Dean Koontz book, "The human race is a lot older than we think it is, with a lot of times we have risen and a lot of falls..." The Eden story may be a story based around the initial creation of humanity by... whomever and whatever means.

We will probably never know who the "real" Jesus, or the many people the story of Jesus was based on, is or were. To many powerful people who controlled what was printed, said and even what we believe have messed with what we think we know now. An alien? Who knows. There are just too many people throughout time and today who insist they will tell us who he was.

As far as the speed of light goes, this is according to physics as we understand it now. Who knows what we may discover or what may be revealed in the future.

[MerlinsByte]

by K Carman..As far as the speed of light goes, this is according to physics as we understand it now. Who knows what we

merlin replies.......

Faster than light (that would be apparent faster than light velocities) have been demonstrated in several labs. Even backwards time travel seems is possible, and very near! A respected scientist(s) and a goverment funded lab, (oh god the g men will screw this wonderful machine for sure), time travel machine is, or by now ,has, by now, been constructed using lasers to bring the titanic pressures and power (if even on a very small patch of real-estate) to bear on sub atomic particles to have them arrive before they send them away!

And like Mr. Carman relates, who knows what be possible,if by the grace of god we are still here thousands, or even millions of years form now….the implications are too strange even for me!

Many Sci-fi writers have toyed with the intriguing idea, of time travel and ancient astronauts, such as the often misaligned Erich Von Daniken who wrote (the) "Chariots of the Gods" and other similar books.

I think Von Danikens biggest mistake wasn't the core Idea of his books, it was stretching the tenuous and sometimes nonexistent evidence to support his otherwise interesting theories.

So....the God(s) ,demons, devils and angles of old, might have been any manner of beings This would include the most likely suspects, time travelers, which will be one and the same as space faring beings.

I can't see where the bible, Koran, or other texts which are too numerous to mention here, or simply the oral teachings , prohibit their gods, mentors, or other semi deific manifestations from being what we call aliens. Maybe some space faring races did interfere while attempting to help our messy genetics and our family tree?

Is darn near a matter of fact! In my opinion, that is. (pun not really intended but go ahead and take it)

So compared to most, I have a slightly different take on what happened back in those incredibility madding, and seemingly intestable (1) days of demons, gods, super men, divine intervention, and larger miracles!

Yes, I have faith, yes I believe, do you, should you?

The key word here is should. This is the reason that I just throw out the brain corn and hope some of the chickens will be hungry, like me but I am a starving fat chicken !...

Ahhh' well, some people like other intellectual or religious foods.

Ya ‘know, that corn just might be a seed that sprouts, in the mind, as a thought, maybe years later and helps someone find thier way to thier gods ….that is my desire.



(1)……intestable. See In- not, and Testable.] (Law)
Not capable of making a will; not legally qualified or
competent to make a testament. --Blackstone.
[1913 Webster]

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[gr8ridejester]

I've been pondering the whole time-space theory myself, and it's becoming clear time travel is more possible than not.

This is an article which explains time travel fairly well http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/e...el/index.shtml

Take in consideration our whole concept of time is based upon the number of revolutions around the Sun. Time is, basicly, a relevance to where we are. Therefor, stepping out of this gravitational bound planet, we find there is no basis for time, and the very concept of time is mearly a perception.

Back to the topic...

The possibility of Jesus being an "alien" cannot be proved nor disproved. Simply put, we weren't there to witness his presence. What we have is the historical accounts written by man (humans) several thousands of years ago. The verbage used in the scripture makes reference to "the heavens" when speaking of what we know as "Heaven".

It is apparent "the heavens" mentioned in the scripture could possilbly be in reference to what we call "space". So, with this in mind, it is possible Jesus was from "space" or "the heavens" which would have us call him an alien. The word "alien" is defined, by Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, as "differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibility."

With this definition I'd say that descibes Jesus to the T.

[Lilith]

I wonder if aliens have souls? I wonder if there is another planet out there somewhere populated with folk just like us. Another planet of aliens? Interesting. Jesus an alien? We're prob all *aliens*...lol.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Lilith I wonder if aliens have souls?

If one assumes a loving, benevolent Creator, absolutely. If not... all bets are off.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: MerlinsByte merlin replies....... Faster than light (that would be apparent faster than light velocities) have been demonstrated in several labs. Yes, I have faith, yes I believe, do you, should you? mb

I remember my father telling me they had discovered particles in space that do go faster... and that was back in the 80's.

Do I? Yes, although I must admit "faith" is more fluid than most. Should I? Well, yes, sort of, because it can show we are thinking, learning and growing. I find that the only person more "faithless" than the atheist that won't budge or admit a possibility they could be wrong is the person who adopted one concept, faith-wise, and never bothered to question or alter those beliefs; even if only for a short while.

The Creator gave us brains for a reason and it certainly wasn't to be Pavlovian.

[MerlinsByte]

remember my father telling me they had discovered particles in space that do go faster... and that was back in the 80's.

Yes, although I was alluding to a different experiment carried out last year and early this year superluminal velocities were theorized in the 80s I believe by forcing a quark into its wave state....Most recently light velocity has been increased by what I call celisum enhancement. Scientists at the NEC research lab in Princeton, New Jersey conducted a wonderful experiment...

They used a laser that injected light into one end of a tube just a few centimeters long, about an inch.5 filled with the metal cesium in a gaseous form, the laser pulse was timed going in, and timed ,with an atomic "stopwatch" so to speak, coming out. (acually it ws bouncing to and fro in the mirrored tube before exiting)

The pulse (coming out) was faster than it should have been to say the least! About 300 times faster, 558,000 miles per sec or many (too lazy to do the math) hundred millions of MPH (about) that my friend is cooking.!
Ahhhh'... well, do tell! I do wonder if it has any time travel implications? ...Hint (if the experiment pans out it will have profound time travel implications!!!!) Pardoxes delux...I cant wait!


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