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Lilith · Apr 4, 2005, 08:51 am

If I'm right to a degree...then where do I go wrong?

MerlinsByte · Apr 4, 2005, 08:58 am

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If I'm right to a degree...then where do I go wrong?

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SORRY LILITH!!! I EDITED MY REPLY TO YOU, PLEASE RE READ MY RESPONSE...damn!

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JamesMcBride · Apr 4, 2005, 09:07 am

But surely to conclude that a KJV or more likely, a JCI version of the bible is a source of intellectual truth is merely a matter of faith. There's no evidence to support your claim that the Bible is truth - because, what evidence is there to suggest that this is the case?

It's all very well you stating for the record that the texts "are scholarly writings of historical truth" when in-fact, most Christians will agree that most of the religious "truth" consists of metaphor. The Bible even opens with Genesis to state that the Heavens and the Earth were made in 6 days - Is this a "historical truth"?

Just what evidence have you got to support your claim that whatever "historical truth" you can claw out of the texts supports your idea that it is a historically accurate document?

orgaelin · Apr 4, 2005, 03:12 pm

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Jesus was real. "Son of God", ok sure, but so are the rest of us, "Sons and daughters of God".....butsome seem to want to continue to think that we are "seperate" from divinity, when in fact we never have been.

I totally agree with you Lilith. Just like Merlin does - 100%!

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I (attempt be genteel (and fail miserably at times, I blame testosterone) and not to FORCE my beliefs onto them.

The worst sin would to turn someone away from the light...

Merlin, I have to agree with you too! I am very much against coercive tactics in religion, especially on the kind of scale used with Scientology. Religions like Christianity (my experience of which is within the CofE) don't use tactics like this, which is good, but there are some subtle effects I always notice when I am in a church...

For example, if you have ever watched Star Trek you will be familiar with the Borgesque concept of the 'hive mind' - a group of drones all thinking the same thoughts and no-one steps out of line... and when the whole congregation starts praying together it sounds *earily* similar to the Borg too!

Psychologically speaking, there are profound effects on people from rhythmic chanting, especially as part of a large group. Also, I have always felt there is a huge demand for compliance in church. That is, you have to sing, you have to pray. No-one there feels forced into doing it or anything, and everyone who does sing and pray does so, of course, because they want to... but just try not doing it, try not joining in, and then just feel the pressure pile onto you like you're in a shaken up bottle of fizzy drink!

Just my observations. Probably just me being a little weird!

Apr 4, 2005, 08:51 am	#41 (permalink) (top)
Lilith It's my life Location: Texas Posts: 532	If I'm right to a degree...then where do I go wrong? If you want the country to go to hell in a handbasket, then vote for the one who can drive you there blindfolded.

Apr 4, 2005, 09:07 am	#43 (permalink) (top)
JamesMcBride Canoe Champ Location: London, UK Posts: 171	But surely to conclude that a KJV or more likely, a JCI version of the bible is a source of intellectual truth is merely a matter of faith. There's no evidence to support your claim that the Bible is truth - because, what evidence is there to suggest that this is the case? It's all very well you stating for the record that the texts "are scholarly writings of historical truth" when in-fact, most Christians will agree that most of the religious "truth" consists of metaphor. The Bible even opens with Genesis to state that the Heavens and the Earth were made in 6 days - Is this a "historical truth"? Just what evidence have you got to support your claim that whatever "historical truth" you can claw out of the texts supports your idea that it is a historically accurate document?