Drop God And Go For Allah!

[LogicaLunatic]

I have a question for all of you Christians out there. What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?

What would you have to see?

What would you have to experience?

Let me know...

LogicaLunatic

[Suburbanite]

In America? I don't think anything could change a Christians mind short of Allah himself.

[i_am_a_n00bie]

It's written in Revelation that in the end time (that's now) many false prophets will turn up. Short of God himself appearing (i.e. being seen like lightning is seen in the east and the west), and telling us we should all be walking to Mecca, not very much.

[Suburbanite]

Yes revelations, my favorite opiate inspired novel, much better than that Sherlock Holmes fellow.

[i_am_a_n00bie]

Yeah, although it seems unrealistic that John would have taken it seriously if he knew he was stoned when he wrote it.

[LogicaLunatic]

From the replies that have been added so far it appears that nothing short of a great miracle would cause a conversion.

Doesn't this imply that the Christian belief itself is irrational since a miracle of equal magnatude was not required to inspire the initial belief in the first place?

[Pooeypants]

I don't see the difference between Christians and Muslims. Except that one has been given their god a name more recently by a supposedly prophet.

[Ned]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
I have a question for all of you Christians out there. What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?

What would you have to see?

What would you have to experience?

Let me know...

LogicaLunatic<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
This whole post assumes that belief is a rational/logical process, as if I could change my faith if only I was shown the imperical data. PAAAHH!
Most folks come by their belief through faith, not something easily minipulated by argument.
Only folks who have lost faith in Christianity would be ripe for conversion to Islam. Even then, I suspect that other forms of religion would be more acceptable to the Western sensabilities than Islam. It kinda has a bad rep right now.
Of course, should Islam choose to enter into the 21st century and reform a bit(respect for women,human rights and get off the Jihad for world domination), there might just be a better chance to convert some of the folks searching.

[eburchelli]

I'm not a Christian, so they have to speak for themselves.

I can't think of any thing that could happen, that would turn me towards any religion. Unless someone wants to give me a billion dollars. Then I would do a really good job of faking it.

LOL.... everything has a price.

[Suburbanite]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
I don't see the difference between Christians and Muslims. Except that one has been given their god a name more recently by a supposedly prophet.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Christianity was born out of sacrafice, Islam was born out of Jihad. Thats a real big difference.

[Highwayman]

The Bible also say something like: "Anybody who loses his life for my sake, will gain eternal life" which is your basic Jihad bottom line.

Mohammad based much of his stuff directly on the bible, just adding and amending bits in order to accommodate himself and his circumstances- which was that of a desert warlord- and relegating Jesus to the position of prophet- same as himself.

I have sympathy for both Mohammad and Jesus- but not enough to join either faithful flock. If one could get extricated out of either one, why allow yourself to be dragged back into a different yet similar one at all?

[m5lange1]

In response to the original question......

Major revelations have to come from within. I doubt some great bit of miracle or magic would turn my religion as much as make me suspicious. I would be more apt to see myself as a primitive man beeing hoodwinked by technology or hypnosis or whatnot.

Counter question.....

What would it take for fundamentalists of either Christianity or Islam to stop caring so much who other people pray to?

[Red_Emma]

If anyone knows please tell me...My mom and my maid to judaeo-christian thouhts are what Hitler was to Facism....There die-hards...i dont think anything can convince someone otherwise..this is a really good question though...perhaps something that would overturn the whole bible such as the Pope turning out to be the Anti-christ...(Sinhead O'Conner would be like the queen of the world!) or a First Contact with Aliens ...Even that though some christian fanatic would probaly say..well God gave us the bible because we are of so limited intelligence we wouldnt of understood another race as advanced...or something to justify it and restore faith in the dear lord jaesus!...lol any ideas on anything else that might topple this religion?

[Pooeypants]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Red_Emma,)
If anyone knows please tell me...My mom and my maid to judaeo-christian thouhts are what Hitler was to Facism....There die-hards...i dont think anything can convince someone otherwise..this is a really good question though...perhaps something that would overturn the whole bible such as the Pope turning out to be the Anti-christ...(Sinhead O'Conner would be like the queen of the world!) or a First Contact with Aliens ...Even that though some christian fanatic would probaly say..well God gave us the bible because we are of so limited intelligence we wouldnt of understood another race as advanced...or something to justify it and restore faith in the dear lord jaesus!...lol any ideas on anything else that might topple this religion?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
Education would be the key, oh and freedom of choice. Most ppl are brainwashed with the stuff from the beginning, it's hard to break out through what has been going down your ear hole ever since you can interpret speech.

[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
I don't see the difference between Christians and Muslims. Except that one has been given their god a name more recently by a supposedly prophet.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Christianity was born out of sacrafice, Islam was born out of Jihad. Thats a real big difference.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

'I came not to send peace, but a sword.' Mat 10:34

[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m5lange1,)
In response to the original question......

Major revelations have to come from within. I doubt some great bit of miracle or magic would turn my religion as much as make me suspicious. I would be more apt to see myself as a primitive man beeing hoodwinked by technology or hypnosis or whatnot.

Counter question.....

What would it take for fundamentalists of either Christianity or Islam to stop caring so much who other people pray to?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Great question! What would it take for people to recognize all humans and faiths of the world as one and turning against any one in the name of God or other belief would be turning against yourself.

[Automatic Nate]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Education would be the key, oh and freedom of choice. Most ppl are brainwashed with the stuff from the beginning, it's hard to break out through what has been going down your ear hole ever since you can interpret speech.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

As an adult convert to Xty, I would qualify that; I was raised to be Republican, and many of my Xtn friends have had similar experiences. Now I'm a theological pacifist flirting with communalist economics (but without the courage to get together with people to try it). An account of religious "brainwashing" really ought to consider the converts' experience.

[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Automatic Nate,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Education would be the key, oh and freedom of choice. Most ppl are brainwashed with the stuff from the beginning, it's hard to break out through what has been going down your ear hole ever since you can interpret speech.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

As an adult convert to Xty, I would qualify that; I was raised to be Republican, and many of my Xtn friends have had similar experiences. Now I'm a theological pacifist flirting with communalist economics (but without the courage to get together with people to try it). An account of religious "brainwashing" really ought to consider the converts' experience.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I am interested in more information on what you describe as 'Xfy' and 'Xfn'. You said you were raised to be a Republican. I would like to hear more.

The topic 'Drop God and go for Allah', is an interesting one in terms of how and why people change what they believe. It's an interesting contradiction since God and Allah mean the same thing. From fundimentalists I often hear the phrase 'My God, your God.'

[The Danish]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
From the replies that have been added so far it appears that nothing short of a great miracle would cause a conversion.

Doesn't this imply that the Christian belief itself is irrational since a miracle of equal magnatude was not required to inspire the initial belief in the first place?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I'm not sure how or why you would think that conversion is not miraculoous in and of itself. Is this something you have expierenced or are you assuming?

peace
D

[Automatic Nate]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,)
I am interested in more information on what you describe as 'Xfy' and 'Xfn'. You said you were raised to be a Republican. I would like to hear more.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
By that I simply meant that I was raised to be a good, tax-paying, money-making, Republican-voting American. I was vaguely aware of the "under God" in the pledge and figured that some sort of higher intelligence was in place, but that's hardly the same as real Christian life. Now I'm frequently in trouble with churches, in-laws, and more "conservative" friends for questioning the moral superiority of America and the nation-state Israel, opposing the various persecutions that "Christian Right" types wish to put into law, and doing other things that make Jim Dobson's hair fall out.