Drop God And Go For Allah!

[PatrickHenry]

Really, you guys. Just live it.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Pooeypants, I don't see the difference between Christians and Muslims. Except that one has been given their god a name more recently by a supposedly prophet.

Christianity was born out of sacrafice, Islam was born out of Jihad. Thats a real big difference.[/b][/quote]


source?

[Mia]

Originally posted by m5lange1, What would it take for fundamentalists of either Christianity or Islam to stop caring so much who other people pray to?

That's the best question so far! THAT's what we need to correct!

Islam does not claim to be a new insight from God or in conflict with Christianity - it is the same teachings brought to millions more in a different format and language.

Radicals are making it look like something it's not, but look at how we Christians perverted our religion to act the same.

Give these people some time to catch up!

At one time they were ahead of us. Whne we were in the dark ages, they were making all the advances in science, mathematics, language, design...

So then it switched and the people have only had independance for 50-90 years. It took "us" longer than that to get where we are!

[PhanthomOps]

Mia,

It is unfotunately man's nature to argue, disagree and rebel. Man's ego and pride perpetuates the concept of I'm right and your wrong, and that's that. So in their mind what is the difference between arguing about which is the better car and wether or not a particular religion is the true one or not. It is the same kettle of alphabet soup. You just happened to pick an A and I picked a G, now who has the better letter?? It's an avenue in which to express ourselves and release our intellectual and emotional frustrations.

I love your response to m5lange1 - It is right on target :) :) :)


PatrickHenry,

Why are you so agressively pessimistic? Don't you have anything to be happy about? :)

[Gorgo]

Did someone say they were a True Christian! I've been looking for one for years. Please email me for an address. Please sell everything you have and send all your money to me.

Thanks.

"Give to everyone that asketh thee; and from him that taketh
away thy goods ask not again." Luke 6:30

[PhanthomOps]

Gorgo,

I am truly bewildered, you actually quoted Scripture,

However, don't forget Luke 6:31 as well "And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise"

And in case you are interested - Luke 20:25 "And he said unto them Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

So unless you are god - I guess I keep allocating my money as I have been.

[Gorgo]

Oh, but I'm not a Christian, so I don't have to render unto others. you just have to render unto me. But then, since we've shown you're not really a Christian, you don't care.

[PhanthomOps]

Gorgo,

Oh well, Christian or not, since you quoted Luke 6:30, how about Luke 6:31. So since you want me to sell everything and send it all to you, I hope you have a lot more to offer when I ask you to do the same.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, PatrickHenry, Why are you so agressively pessimistic? Don't you have anything to be happy about? :)

If you knew me, you would know my joyous nature. I have an eternal future.

The Bible is not too "optimistic" about the majority. Justice requires "death" for "sin". If people will not accept Jesus death as payment for their sin, repent and live, then the result is tragic. That's not a real happy subject...

The kingdoms of this world, including America, are the possessions of the Enemy. Where I would wish to see a return to godliness, I see a service to "mammon." Jesus himself said no one can serve two masters. Should I remain silent or call for justice?

[PhanthomOps]

PatrickHenry,

I am glad that you have reconciled yourself with Christ, and await as do I for that glorious day when we shall meet.

The Bible is a two-edged sword. Yes the Scriptures have recorded and warn of death because of sin and rejection of Christ. However, it is my absolute belief that the Holy Spirit has, is and will continue to open the minds of everyone enough that they will understand, and therefore can soberly decide to either accept Jesus's sacrifice or reject it.

The Bible also contains countless scriptures that give hope to us who are His children and receive it openly without reservation.

And, we who know Jesus are assured that we will escape hell and the lake of fire. We also are forewarned that in the last days it will be worse than Soddom & Gemorah. With that warning, we can lean on Him who will in nowise cast us out, receive His protection and guidance.

Our only real weapons in this world are paryer and living our lives as a witness of what He has done in us. Remember, justice in the end is God's to administer in His Righteousness.

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, Shunyadragon, "The Scriptures advise that "Many will come in My Name" but to wary of them because they will lead you to hell. This is where a TRUE Christian leans not to his own understanding, but seeks the Will of GOD, as He will lead us in the right path. In essence "Not my will but Thine be done" Pray tell, how did I set and spring the trap? My quote is not verbatum from the Bible, however, it is Biblical fact. I can give you the Bible references, but I'm sure you already know of them. There are many who claim to be a staunch Christian, and go to church every week, however that is as far as they go. They do not seek God's face or guidance, but lean to their own limited understanding.

As I said before your inclusion of the word 'TRUE' in caps reflects a considerable amount of judgement as to who is and who is not.

The consideration of who is TRUE and not true is a common doctrine and preoccupation in contemporary Christianity.

SPROOIINNNG! SNAP!

[samsara15]

God already IS Allah, if you believe in that sort of stuff. A rose is a rose is a rose. What would it take to wean people away from organized religion?

[PhanthomOps]

Shunyadragon,

Quote:
"As I said before your inclusion of the word 'TRUE' in caps reflects a considerable amount of judgement as to who is and who is not."

The reason why I used capitals for the word TRUE, is because the Bible indicates that only the TRUE Christian will be able to discern between God's TRUTH and the sly silver tounge of Satin. This was in no way to imply judgement from me or any other Christian. That is reserved for God. If you were unable to see that, I appologize.

Quote:
"The consideration of who is TRUE and not true is a common doctrine and preoccupation in contemporary Christianity.
SPROOIINNNG! SNAP!"

Opps,
The secular community is not lacking in this area either, as are a number of those on volconvo.

Hey, have a great day.


samsara15,

God by any other name is still God.

Quote:
"What would it take to wean people away from organized religion?"

That my friend is the question of all time. Regretfully, any answer given will more than likely upset someone.

The reverse of the question could also be asked - "What would it take to wean non-believers away from their position?"

No matter how we consider either question - I would conclude that neither is possible.

Welcome aboard - talk to you later

[Mia]

PO, do you agree that Christians, Jews, and Muslims pray to the same God?

[PhanthomOps]

My dear Mia,

In-as-much as a rose is still a rose regardless of color or name - God is still God by whatever name people choose to use.

In a word YES

[Mia]

If Jesus is the only way to God according to our scriptures, then how can that be so?

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, Shunyadragon, Quote: "As I said before your inclusion of the word 'TRUE' in caps reflects a considerable amount of judgement as to who is and who is not." The reason why I used capitals for the word TRUE, is because the Bible indicates that only the TRUE Christian will be able to discern between God's TRUTH and the sly silver tounge of Satin. This was in no way to imply judgement from me or any other Christian. That is reserved for God. If you were unable to see that, I appologize. Quote: "The consideration of who is TRUE and not true is a common doctrine and preoccupation in contemporary Christianity. SPROOIINNNG! SNAP!" Opps, The secular community is not lacking in this area either, as are a number of those on volconvo. Hey, have a great day.

If you are refering to the Atheist position, I agree. That specific debate bares little fruit and it is often bitter.

But if you are referring to the secular community of science and academia of different disiplines, which includes both atheists and those who believe in God, it is a different story.

The debate in science is often heated and contencious, but most of these debates and issues are almost always resolved with time. Truth in science does not come in capital letters and it is not absolute. Science is a constantly changing and evolving field of knowledge. They do not challenge other people on the same issues as the doctrine of absolute TRUTH in religion.

[PhanthomOps]

Dear Mia,

Good question, I really cannot absolutely answer that one. Perhaps God will when we go to see Him.

My answering YES to your question is because I believe in-as-much as many different religions acknowledge a Devine Being, in their way they are praying to God as I know Him to be, regardless of their method or by what name they call Him.

In the Christian faith, Jesus is God.

Because of the human inability to understand the Godhead - One in three - Three in one, God has through the scriptures presented Himself in terms more meaningful and understandable to us. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

Other religions recognize Jesus as an ordained prophet, others do not, and man in general regardless of what is presented will devise ways to get around the truth to suit their purposes.

What is important is that if you are a Christian you need to accept the Word of God as the basis of our faith. Whether a Hebrew rejects the New Testament is none of our concern, and that shouldn't get in the way of our living our faith on a daily basis.

[Mia]

My brother and a close friend tell me I am doomed if I believe in the legitimacy of other religions. I can't believe Christ is the way for me and then say others have another way.

And I can't be a "real" Christian if I DON'T believe that Christ is the only way, for myself and others.

[PhanthomOps]

Dear Mia,

This is starting to get deep. Please take a deep breath, and relax.

Just for clarification purposes - what is your religious faith?

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"My brother and a close friend tell me I am doomed if I believe in the legitimacy of other religions."

With all due respect to your brother and close friend - ask them to show you the actual passages in the Bible, where Jesus condemns you on this basis. And please let me know.

Question for your brother and close friend - Are the Roman Catholic, Baptist, Methodist or Pentacostal churchs illegitimate?

Quote:
"I can't believe Christ is the way for me and then say others have another way."

Why not? Do you believe and acknowledge that there are Athesists, Buddists, Hebrews, Muslims, etc.?

Each of these have their own individual way of professing and practicing their religious beliefs.

Just because you accept their existance in no way says that you believe in what they believe, or follow what they follow.

Even within the Christian belief there are many divisions. Roman Catholic, Baptist, Preysbeterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Pentacostal, etc. Each of these "religions" recognize Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, and God and profess Him as Lord and Savior. However, for some reason each have a slightly different intrepretation of some of the scriptures. Does this slight difference make then any less Christian?

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"And I can't be a "real" Christian if I DON'T believe that Christ is the only way, for myself and others."

Mia, your walk with Jesus is a personal and individual one, day by day. What others believe or don't believe is of no consequence to you, and should not have any effect on your precious and personal relationship with Christ.

Do you believe that:
1) Jesus is your Lord and Savior?
2) He died to cleanse and save you from your sins?
3) Jesus is a forgiving and loving God?
4) Jesus loves you?
5) Jesus hurts when you hurt?
6) no one comes to the Father but by Jesus?
7) Jesus is the only way for YOU? (forget all the others)

I could list more, however, if you said yes, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

I hope and pray that this is of some help to you. If you would prefer to talk about this privately, let me know and I'll give you my phone number.

Remember Romans 8:1-2

Peace be with you - Philip