Drop God And Go For Allah!

[dotcoma]

Been there and back buddy. Nitcheese was a bedwetting twit...

[Impenitent]

been there and stayed... your argument is brilliant

[Mia]

Originally posted by Elijah, God is a just God. He doesn't take Bull. What he says is what he says. For anyone to say what is God-like and what is not is so ignorant. You can't say that if you don't know him!!

Right...I have strong objections to the followers of any religion who deem themselves higher than the rest of us and more knowledgeable about what is and is not valid.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Impenitent, been there and stayed... your argument is brilliant

Well then your philosphy came out of a guy who wet his bed his whole life and lived in his mommy's basement.

[Impenitent]

lol... yeah... and plato and socrates packed fudge... so what? if you want to argue the merits of the various philosophers that will be fine, pick one and start a thread... show us from where your philosophy comes...

[PhanthomOps]

To: LogicaLunatic:
You asked:
“I have a question for all of you Christians out there. What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?
What would you have to see?
What would you have to experience?
Let me know...”
Well first off – LogicaLunatic? that’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one :) :)
A quick answer would be – Absolutely nothing would convert a “TRUE” Christian from their faith !!!!! Not even if Allah himself came offering ten-million virgins.

To: Surburbanite
Your responses were:
“In America? I don't think anything could change a Christians mind short of Allah himself.”
And “Christianity was born out of sacrafice, Islam was born out of Jihad. Thats a real big difference.”
We agree !!!!! :) :)

To: Shunyadragon:
You stated:
“'I came not to send peace, but a sword.' Mat 10:34”

However, you neglected:
Matthew 10:32-34, Matthew 4:4, Matthew 5:3-12, 17 and Romans 13:9 Good try anyhow.

To: The Danish:
You said:
“I'm not sure how or why you would think that conversion is not miraculoous in and of itself. Is this something you have expierenced or are you assuming?”

Good point – welcome aboard (also, remember that "assume" makes and ass out of you and me) Ha Ha

To: Atomica:
Your comment was:
“As a Christian I would probably never abandon that faith; however I have toyed with the idea of converting to Judaism. But I am not so certain about Islam..."

Hold fast to your Christian faith. Seek out mature Christians who have experienced the crucible of life after conversion, they will help you in strengthening your faith.

To: mlingley:
Who stated:
“thought Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worshipped the same God. We all descended from father Abraham.. I though. Maybe I'm wrong.

No, you are correct, however, it is us humans who have screwed things up and poisioned the truth.

I'm not going to comment on all the responses thus far as many (not all) are rediculous, and not worth the time.

The Scriptures advise that "Many will come in My Name" but to wary of them because they will lead you to hell. This is where a TRUE Christian leans not to his own understanding, but seeks the Will of GOD, as He will lead us in the right path. In essence "Not my will but Thine be done"

[Elijah]

To Mia. Higher, no. More knowledgeable,no. We just believe in someone who is.

[PhanthomOps]

Hey Mia:
Your comment was:
"Right...I have strong objections to the followers of any religion who deem themselves higher than the rest of us and more knowledgeable about what is and is not valid."

In fact this encompasses people in all religions - so I guess they're all on your bad side. Wow what a fight you'll have on your hands. :)

Elijah:
You stated:
"To Mia. Higher, no. More knowledgeable,no. We just believe in someone who is."

Right On !!!!!!!!! No truer words were spoken.

[Mia]

What I meant was that if I as a Christian decide that only my faith is valid, and Jews and Muslims and everyone else is wrong, what gives me that right?

I know God's mind and HE said Christianity was it, nobody else has a viable faith in Him?

I think this would be very egotistical of me.

[PhanthomOps]

Hi Mia, we seem to be crossing paths a lot today. I must admit it is fun.

Don't forget all religions teach tollerance - so we all have the right to our beliefs, however, we must all be respectful of the beliefs of others, even if we disagree.

However, this of course does not mean that we should be tollerant and/or respectful if certain people of a religion expouse and practice violence.

To believe that your religion is the right and only one is not being egotistical. It just means that in your soul, spirit, heart, mind and emotions you feel "this is unmistakenly right". This of course also means that you do not act violently in the daily practice of your belief.

[Elijah]

I say again. You are straight phanthomops. Mia, I am not in the mind of God. You see, the reason I know this is because told men the words to write a book called the Bible. Are we straight so far? No questions? Good. What I said is CLEARLY stated in that book. Comprende?

[PhanthomOps]

Elijah,

Thank you very much - I hope I can be of help in the future - see you on another thread. :) :)

[Elijah]

C-ya

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, To: Shunyadragon: You stated: “'I came not to send peace, but a sword.' Mat 10:34” However, you neglected: Matthew 10:32-34, Matthew 4:4, Matthew 5:3-12, 17 and Romans 13:9 Good try anyhow.

I do not think I used the quote in this thread, but now that you brought it up. You left off Matthew 10:35-37: A great promoter of family values.

Also Matthew 5:19. Break one rule and you go to the bottom of the deck. Sounds like a Divine Monopoly game.

Good try anyhow.

I'm not going to comment on all the responses thus far as many (not all) are rediculous, and not worth the time.

How humble of you.

The Scriptures advise that "Many will come in My Name" but to wary of them because they will lead you to hell. This is where a TRUE Christian leans not to his own understanding, but seeks the Will of GOD, as He will lead us in the right path. In essence "Not my will but Thine be done"

This is indeed true, but through the divisions upon divisions of the faithful and the many who claimed many things over history, ' Many will come in my name. , becomes a rather messy picture. Everyone seems to define the TRUE Christian differently. There is definitely a lot of finger wagging and pointing. I think you may need to update the program monthly to include everybodies claims.

What makes your claim to know who is TRUE supperior to others?

'Judge not or so shall you be judged.'

[PhanthomOps]

Shunyadragon,

I think we can agree on the fact that we can pull scriptures out of the Bible to prove each of our points, and neither of us is going to budge. I am by no means backing off, however, I feel our time can be better spent.

I did not say that I can absolutely know who is True, nor did I claim to be superior to others.

I can only and will judge a person by their outward actions toward others, for that is seen. In-as-much as I am not God - I am unable to see into a person's heart or mind and know what is truely there. So, I purposely avoid getting sucked into this trap.

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, Shunyadragon, I think we can agree on the fact that we can pull scriptures out of the Bible to prove each of our points, and neither of us is going to budge. I am by no means backing off, however, I feel our time can be better spent. I did not say that I can absolutely know who is True, nor did I claim to be superior to others. I can only and will judge a person by their outward actions toward others, for that is seen. In-as-much as I am not God - I am unable to see into a person's heart or mind and know what is truely there. So, I purposely avoid getting sucked into this trap.

The trap was set and sprung yourself when you used the TRUE Christians phrase.

[PhanthomOps]

Shunyadragon,

"The Scriptures advise that "Many will come in My Name" but to wary of them because they will lead you to hell. This is where a TRUE Christian leans not to his own understanding, but seeks the Will of GOD, as He will lead us in the right path. In essence "Not my will but Thine be done"

Pray tell, how did I set and spring the trap? My quote is not verbatum from the Bible, however, it is Biblical fact. I can give you the Bible references, but I'm sure you already know of them.

There are many who claim to be a staunch Christian, and go to church every week, however that is as far as they go. They do not seek God's face or guidance, but lean to their own limited understanding.

[Impenitent]

want to be a "true" christian?

get crucified and die...

if you come back to life after being dead 3 days, then maybe you'll be christian...

until then "true" christians are no better than used car salesmen

[PhanthomOps]

Impenitent,

Boy do you have an acute case of octareculitus.

The Scriptures do not require a person to be crucified in order to be a true Christian. Besides, only Jesus had that power, and it was reserved for Him and Him alone.

Your right - True Christians are not better than anyone else - However, thay have an advantage that non-Christians do not - They're saved.

[Mia]

Why on earth do people argue about religion?