Drop God And Go For Allah!

[Atomica]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
I have a question for all of you Christians out there. What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?

What would you have to see?

What would you have to experience?

Let me know...

LogicaLunatic<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

As a Christian I would probably never abandon that faith; however I have toyed with the idea of converting to Judaism. But I am not so certain about Islam...

Throwing away my faith(Christianity) will never happen. I'm a man of science, but if science ever tries to tell me that my religion is wrong, then that is where I draw the line. No matter what happens I will always believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for my sins. I really don't see why everyone has been criticizing Christ. I hope you non-believers can fill that emptiness in your soul before you die. You can criticize all you want to, but when I die, there is no bad outcome.

[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (theophysics,)
Throwing away my faith(Christianity) will never happen. I'm a man of science, but if science ever tries to tell me that my religion is wrong, then that is where I draw the line. No matter what happens I will always believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for my sins. I really don't see why everyone has been criticizing Christ. I hope you non-believers can fill that emptiness in your soul before you die. You can criticize all you want to, but when I die, there is no bad outcome.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

The criticism is for the contemporary view of Christ and not Christ.

[mlingley]

I thought Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worshipped the same God. We all descended from father Abraham.. I though. Maybe I'm wrong.

[shunyadragon]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,)
I thought Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worshipped the same God. We all descended from father Abraham.. I though. Maybe I'm wrong.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Jews and Christians generally agree they worshi p the sam God, disagrre on the fulfillment of the prophecy for the messiah, but Jews and Christians generally do not believe Moslems worship the same God. In fact over the years I have heard the common statement of 'My God your God.' when Christians dialogue with Moslems.

Moslems refer to Jews and Christians as people of the book, or worshiping the same God, but strong theological differences and territorial claims over the holy lands has lead to unresolvable differences and a war of cousins.

[Beautyassleep]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I thought Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worshipped the same God. We all descended from father Abraham.. I though. Maybe I'm wrong.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

If I'm not mistaken, Muslims do believe in that concept, that God gave each people a faith to follow (hence, Christianity, Judaism, etc.) but each time man was to corrupt it, a prophet would be sent in an attempt to clear people's vision and to set them on the right path once more, which is to submit to the Creator and to worship Him alone.

As for Christians, I believe that they have a common similarity with the Jewish and thus do refer to their God as the same, but they do not with the Muslims.

If I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me +)

[Beautyassleep]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (theophysics,)
Throwing away my faith(Christianity) will never happen. I'm a man of science, but if science ever tries to tell me that my religion is wrong, then that is where I draw the line. No matter what happens I will always believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for my sins. I really don't see why everyone has been criticizing Christ. I hope you non-believers can fill that emptiness in your soul before you die. You can criticize all you want to, but when I die, there is no bad outcome.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Your faith is refreshing.

[gecko]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
From the replies that have been added so far it appears that nothing short of a great miracle would cause a conversion.

Doesn't this imply that the Christian belief itself is irrational since a miracle of equal magnatude was not required to inspire the initial belief in the first place?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

irrational christians? as opposed to those intelligent and rational even tempered muslims?

isnt it funn that christiantity was in existence for almost 1000 years before any violent actions were taken in the name of the lord (crusades) but yet the mussies were around for less than 100 and they were already trying to conquere europe?

hmmm odd

i cant really take islam seriously any religion where the reward for faith is a virgin filled heaven sounds awfully opium inspired

i can just imagine mohammed sitting in his hut one night going.. " i know no pork, but you can have concubines! yeah thats the tickets!"

[Mia]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Ned,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
I have a question for all of you Christians out there.  What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?

What would you have to see?

What would you have to experience?

Let me know...

LogicaLunatic<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
This whole post assumes that belief is a rational/logical process, as if I could change my faith if only I was shown the imperical data. PAAAHH!
Most folks come by their belief through faith, not something easily minipulated by argument.
Only folks who have lost faith in Christianity would be ripe for conversion to Islam. Even then, I suspect that other forms of religion would be more acceptable to the Western sensabilities than Islam. It kinda has a bad rep right now.
Of course, should Islam choose to enter into the 21st century and reform a bit(respect for women,human rights and get off the Jihad for world domination), there might just be a better chance to convert some of the folks searching.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


Actually, the religion itself gives more respect to women than Christianity. It can't be judged by some of the "Islamic Nations" laws and practices. And BTW, it's the fastest-growing religion. So many people are converting to it, including Westerners.

[Mia]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
I don't see the difference between Christians and Muslims. Except that one has been given their god a name more recently by a supposedly prophet.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Islam was born out of Jihad. Thats a real big difference.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


And where do you get that?

[Mia]

Gecko - you really need to learn about things before you make statements like that - you are talking about what some radical fringe people think, not what the religion teaches.


Yes, we are all descended from Abraham. Issac and Ismael were his two sons that were both promised great nations - the Jewish and Islamic religion.

I think it is true that Christians relate more to Jewish religion than Islamic, but that has more to do with not being as familiar with it.

We are prejudiced by the veils and the practices of Islamic nations and the CULTURE is so different we seem like completely different human beings.

It is the same God we pray to in my opinion and the Quran is so much like the Bible it would really surprise you.

Prophet Muhammad carried the same basic message as Jesus to millions more people and that has to be a good thing.

All mankind has always twisted religion to suit their purposes. This does not mean the religion is bad. There was a time when they were ahead of us in everything - science, mathematics, even rights for women.

While Europe was in the dark ages moslems were creating and exploring and advancing. The oppression over there has to do with the level of society - they got behind - not the religion.

To answer the original question I would not convert. While I respect Islamics and Jews, I believe in Christ as God's son and have to stay in Christianity or give up that belief.

[dotcoma]

[quote=gecko,]

Quote by: LogicaLunatic, isnt it funn[Y] that christian[ity] was in existence for almost 1000 years before any violent actions were taken in the name of the lord (crusades) but yet the mussies were around for less than 100 and they were already trying to conquere europe?

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***According The Falwell-Robertson School of Relgious History.

[marco_funk]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (LogicaLunatic,)
I have a question for all of you Christians out there. What would it take for you to throw the Bible in the garbage, burn it and start following the Muslim faith?

What would you have to see?

What would you have to experience?

Let me know...

LogicaLunatic<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


What would it take to throw the bible in the garbage? What would I have to see? What would I have to experience?

You would have to erase my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord. Satan's been trying to do it for years... and he's had no luck yet.
peace,
Marco
Mennonite Youth Pastor

[gecko]

no you misunderstand me
im not saying that chrisitans havent been doing things before then
but not IN the name of christ

if i am catholic and i go out and i start a fight I FOUGHT not catholocism

the difference between a chrisitan acting idependant of his religion and a muslim acting BECAUSE of his religion are two different things

andmia? you are never allowed to tell anyone they need to learn
because you are the blackest pot to my kettle

[Mia]

Marco, will you give me your opinion on this, please: I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is my Savior. But I do not believe that only people who believe this way go to heavan and Jews and Moslems go to Hell. I believe God intends to reach all of us. I believe he reached the Jews, and the Christians, and that Islam is his way of reaching millions more. Muhammad is their messenger as Jesus is mine.

I'm sure you disagree with that, my question is do you believe this makes me un-Christian? A friend of mine who is very dogmatic does. He says I can't believe Christ is the only way to God and then say others can get to him without Jesus. I don't believe Jesus is the ONLY way to God - just mine.

It just is not logical to me that millions would have a faith that is as valid as mine and they believe just as fervently yet they are going to hell. If you or I were born in Iran, I bet we'd think Muhammad is our way to God.

I welcome anyone else interested in answering also.

[marco_funk]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
Marco, will you give me your opinion on this, please: I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is my Savior. But I do not believe that only people who believe this way go to heavan and Jews and Moslems go to Hell. I believe God intends to reach all of us. I believe he reached the Jews, and the Christians, and that Islam is his way of reaching millions more. Muhammad is their messenger as Jesus is mine.

I'm sure you disagree with that, my question is do you believe this makes me un-Christian? A friend of mine who is very dogmatic does. He says I can't believe Christ is the only way to God and then say others can get to him without Jesus. I don't believe Jesus is the ONLY way to God - just mine.

It just is not logical to me that millions would have a faith that is as valid as mine and they believe just as fervently yet they are going to hell. If you or I were born in Iran, I bet we'd think Muhammad is our way to God.

I welcome anyone else interested in answering also.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Mia:
I hear where you are coming from. I do believe that God's redemption has univerisal implications. One day every tongue and every knee will bow. But I do proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord. That's an exclusive claim; it means that Jesus Christ is God. My question to you is, do Muslims get 'God without Jesus' and Jews get 'God without Jesus'... because I don't think you can have God without Jesus. Since, biblically, Jesus is the Word and the Word is with God and the Word is God.
Theologically you are on shaky ground when someone says that all religions lead to God. I won't ever say that a Jew or a Muslim is 'going to hell'. I don't think it is my business worrying about 'who's in and who's out'.... I just want to be faithful to God... which means I need to follow Jesus.
peace,
Marco Funk

[Mia]

I used that because so many say it - if you don't believe in Jesus you are "out"

BTW, I don't think that all religions lead to God, but it's so hard for me to believe only one does.

Thank you for your reply.

[shunyadragon]

[quote=roxdog,]

Quote by: gecko, Quote by: LogicaLunatic, isnt it funn[Y] that christian[ity] was in existence for almost 1000 years before any violent actions were taken in the name of the lord (crusades) but yet the mussies were around for less than 100 and they were already trying to conquere europe? *** Christianity bacame a violent religion when Rome became a Christian State. Membership in the Roman Church was not voluntary. Rome was a violent militaristic slave owning state before and after it became Christian. The bible and the koran endorse slave ownership, and Christians and Moslems were openly involved in slave trade and slave ownership up until about 1863. After this date slavery in the world has decreased.**** ***According The Falwell-Robertson School of Relgious History.

**** The reality of history. Bible and the Koran.

[marco_funk]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
I used that because so many say it - if you don't believe in Jesus you are "out"

BTW, I don't think that all religions lead to God, but it's so hard for me to believe only one does.

Thank you for your reply.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Mia,
No problem... It is hard to believe that Jesus is the only way to God. My pluralistic tendencies always warn me when I'm in church and I say that Jesus is Lord. There's this little 'demon' on my shoulder saying, "are you sure Jesus is Lord? What about all the other 'lords' that people have?" But when I hear of God's plan for all of creation to be reconciled to him, then my pluralist/universalist worries are laid to rest.
peace,
Marco

[Mia]

Muslims do not claim any other God but God. They do not claim Muhammad as God or son of God - only a prophet. They recognize Jesus as a proghet. Jews do not claim an other God but God and recognize Jesus as a prophet. This settles any fears of being pluralistic for me.

But when you say all of creation to be reconciled to Him, you mean through Jesus. That worries me because Jews have never believed in Jesus and most will not change their minds when the time comes, and I don't see Muslims all of a sudden believing He was more than another prophet either.