Bill Maher: Religion neurological disorder

[Gorgo]

You'll remember that it wasn't me that used the term, but David Icke. Maybe I misunderstood what you're asking. I did not use the term, so if you're criticizing me for using the term, hopefully that explains it.

Quote by: Lou Minotti Why? Oh, I don't know Gorgo. Maybe it's because they are two different things. One is defined in the dictionary and is historical fact, the other is not.

[Gorgo]

Wrong about the additives, etc. You may be right for most of us about the flu vaccine, but only for most of us, and the flu vaccine is only one vaccine.

Quote by: Lou Minotti Besides, eating the right foods and getting a little sick once every three or four years is much healthier than getting a flu vaccine

[Lou Minotti]

David Icke also used the term "also"....

[Gorgo]

Sorry, Lou, but if what you're saying is relevant to the thread, and you want me to understand what you're saying, I'll need more information.

[Samildanach]

Religion is fantasy pure and simple. I would not say religion itself is a neurological disorder. The disorder becomes when you believe literally what the religion tells you rather than taking it as some good moral rules. I think Jeffl does lots of drugs at least thats what my meditative flash tells me. :)

[Lou Minotti]

Wrong about the additives, etc.

No, i'm not "wrong about the additives, etc."...You THINK/HOPE I am wrong. You have obviously done ZERO research on the subject and have NO IDEA what my research is based on, therefore, it is impossible for you to conclude I am "Wrong about the additives, etc" seeing as you haven't even looked into it. You can challenge me for sources, etc..and speculate that I am talking out my ass, but that's the one and only next step (and you would still be wrong).

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publi...154743,00.html
http://movies.commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4160895.stm

Exposure to the metal is linked to damage to the brain, nervous system and fertility with crematoria responsible for 16% of the UK's mercury pollution.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/6/mercury.htm

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury.

A pediatric dose of hepatitis B vaccine contains 12.5 micrograms.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=9780
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/health...?storyid=14764
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chri..._discovery.htm
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/hanchette103.html
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/06/va...ry_report.html
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/06/ne..._is_wrong.html

[Lou Minotti]

The Pharmacartels work hard to keep this info from you and I'm sure they appreciate the unwitting assistance.

[Gorgo]

My remark was in reply to your off-the-cuff remark which was made with no supporting evidence. The evidence is, if you will look, that the benefits of vaccinations are far greater than not having vaccinations. If you wish to be more informed about that, then do some research. If you are refuting that, then I'll bother to read what you've posted, but you should probably take it to PM's or to another thread.

Quote by: Lou Minotti You have done ZERO research

[Lou Minotti]

My remark was based on research. Your's was based on a false belief that I had none. And your follow-up remark

Wrong about the additives, etc.

is/was baseless.

And my issue isn't the vaccines but the additives. Try reading my posts again. :)

[Gorgo]

You're not disagreeing with my premise that telling people to avoid vaccines is irresponsible, that's all that I'm interested in. If I misunderstood, I apologize. I didn't assume anything, because you didn't say anything to cause me to assume. Last word on that in this thread. Thanks for the clarifications.

Quote by: Lou Minotti And my issue isn't the vaccines but the additives. Try reading my posts again

[Lou Minotti]

telling people to avoid vaccines is irresponsible

NOT telling people the DANGERS of vaccines is even more irresponsible, in my opinion.

Besides everyone knows that if you don't get vaccinated, the lizard people will get you.

You trivialize this issue. Pretty irresponsible, in my opinion. This statement is what set me off.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Not having faith, belief in God...

that's a problem, one I think is a mental issue. You cannot touch, taste hear or see the Holy Spirit, so you are incapable of believeing in it.

I think it has more to do with an inability to live under a moral code, I think those that don't believe are afraid of such morals as the Bible promotes. They know in thier hearts they cannot begin to try and live a good life, so they escape, for now, any attempt to be held to such standards. Easier to be a sinner and not care then to be a sinner and care.

When you pass from this world, and you stand before the Judgement of your Life, and you see the good and holy things you denied in life, I want you to remmeber, it was your choice.

[Rave7pt0]

I'm tired of spirituality being bashed on this forum. Gorg, you may not understand it, and you may not have experienced it, but I know it through and through -- I have solid, undeniable personal evidence. Why do you feel the need to degrade people, when you can't really be sure?

I'd be inclined to agree more with Vic, that it's a disorder of yours, that you are unable to comprehend anything outside your limited perception, or even admit the possibility that something exists beyond said perception, but I think it's a matter of development, not deficiency. You'll see it when you're ready to see it, and not a moment before, and that's alright. In the mean time, cut out the bad juju and keep it civil, yeah?

[Gorgo]

Like whipping slaves and stoning children.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio such morals as the Bible promotes

[Gorgo]

If you're going to give advice, I think it might be better if you could be more specific. Please point out anything that I've done that's uncivil in any way.

I, myself, am a little overweight. I've worked on it, but I know it's not healthy. It is not insulting to overweight people to say that being overweight, at least statistically, can be unhealthy. Believing in things for which there is no reasonable evidence, can be just as unhealthy. There is nothing uncivil about saying that. I used to smoke. Smoking is irrational. I am uncomfortable in some social situations. That is irrational. There is nothing insulting to me about that. It's part of learning. As you learn about the world and the ways in which people deceive themselves, you'll see that belief in certain ideas is not healthy.

I am not insulting people, I am telling them that they are worthy of more. They can lose those beliefs which tell them they are not worthy, that they have to create fantasy worlds to live in in order to gain self-worth.

Quote by: Rave7pt0 cut out the bad juju and keep it civil, yeah?

[Gorgo]

Beliefs are something I like to lose. They are ways that people like to fool themselves about the world.

You don't need them. It's that simple.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio incapable of believeing in it.

[jeffl]

Quote by: Samildanach Religion is fantasy pure and simple. I would not say religion itself is a neurological disorder. The disorder becomes when you believe literally what the religion tells you rather than taking it as some good moral rules.

What a narrow perspective you have. Why can't you use the word as it was intended? Religion is the only thing that drives a movement toward the truth.

And what someone does with the notion of 'literal' is upto them. When i insisted that the OT be literal, knowing what i know about science, collective consciousness was an obvious necessity. It's my perogative to engage such an exercise; and when such an exercise is fruitful it's the picker's perogative to share the bounty, isn't it?

[jeffl]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Are you a Mason?

No sir. Nothing against masons; but i can't trust them because they've made an oath they can't tell me about. No reason for animosity, just for keeping our distance. Same can be said for the Knights of Columbus.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Gorgo Like whipping slaves and stoning children.

More proof you don't want to debate, just make attacks on posters with comments that are completely ludicrious. Christians do not stone children or own slaves, are we talking about the same book? No, you are reffering to old testment stuff, which Jesus overrode in fullfilling the scripute and forging a new covenant.

But you ignore that for the childish attacks. If you cannot debate religion without respecting those that belive, stop. Because you are not debating but trolling.

[jeffl]

Quote by: Gorgo Believing in fantasy is believing in fantasy. It is a type of thinking. It is called irrational thinking. You are right. It does not stop thought, it is thought. It does stop rational thought, however.

It includes rational thought as a very small subset; 'very small' because there is either your reptile people noise or your head in the sand silence. What do you have against rational thought?