science is for fools

[Lilith]

Quote by: Dadoo A fool who does not know and yet does not seek, is doubly-foolish. I applaud the fools for seeking to comprehend, by whatever means and through any method. Because one route to the center is comfortable for One, they needn't and ultimately cannot chastise another's choice of investigation and apprehension of reality. Whether any one path is right or wrong is purely speculative. Definement and clarity of one's goals is useless without a venue. Fools learn. The most wise will not be found seeking, and therein lies the conundrum of inciteful rhetoric concerning "idiocy, ignorance and flawed ideaology"; The brilliance you seek in the field of learning and grasping, sciences and religions will not be found. The most brilliant scientists, are in effect, the greatest seekers, and in turn, with due respect- the Greatest Fools. Who but the hungry eats? Who but the needy begs? Who but the unknowing, can learn? We are all in one soup together. We are only as brilliant as the most foolish fool. These are my axioms of liberation. When the magician is dead, logician will arrive inevitable in it's stead.

I like that. Very nice.

[a friend]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Most traditional mainstream scientists are fools. The only entity’s that are dumber than the scientists are the peons that believe their fabricated paradigm. They are fools because they are closed minded , intransigent , deaf and dumb, while communicating a false message that their theory of the day is, in effect, true and immutable. The theory must is accordance of the scientific methodology however, be open to constant change. Allow me to translate that last passage. Believe today’s lie because we don’t have complete evidence for the current scientific theory to demonstrate it as fact. Oh, and tomorrow we will have a new lie for you to believe as truth. What total crap, flush it now! They (the entrenched scientific, published, community) espouse ignorance and call it doctrine and truth . “Worship the theory of the day because it might change tomorrow!”, they preach. And the truth tomorrow is a fallacy made of the next day! What bullshit! It is only the short finite lifespan of man that permits these “scientific” lies to predominate western, and increasingly eastern thought. If one would examine this “science” from a reference frame of thousands of years, as opposed a year or decade , the truth is grossly evident! Science supports their theory of the day by fabricated self serving “theories” and guesswork. What evidence? Science is riddled with deceit, fraud, and evangelistic methodology! This is blatant hypocrisy while quashing any alternative views outright. What heresy I say. They are worse than the ancient church that the so loathe! The scientific community of buffoons would be comical if not for the young minds that they DESTROY. Truth is dependent on the ability to entertain all questions. Science only considers their own questions thus rendering thier answer predictable and moot. Science utterly and completely fails us in developing world view, much less a paradigm of universal proportions. The truth whether it be a question or religion or of science should stand the test of millennium(s) not a year or two. mb

Science and Religion are the two wings of one bird. Human progress. Without one the other is useless.
Balance is the key.
Religion only has value if there are material means to incorporate its ideals.
Science as you point out has severe limitations. These could be remedied by what the best in religion has to offer, a hearing ear, a seeing eye and open heart and spirit of cooperation for the common good.
a friend

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: a friend Science and Religion are the two wings of one bird. Human progress. Without one the other is useless. Balance is the key. Religion only has value if there are material means to incorporate its ideals. Science as you point out has severe limitations. These could be remedied by what the best in religion has to offer, a hearing ear, a seeing eye and open heart and spirit of cooperation for the common good. a friend

How exactly is blind faith and dogmatic scriptures not severely limited? You're giving religion far too much credit, especially for modern days where it plays hardly any role in the Western world.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Pooeypants mmm, let's remove modern medicine away from their grasp, then we'd see who are the foolish ones...

I quite agree, and with it running water processed food, electricity, their cars, basically everything. I think that Merlin should live in a cave, free from all technology based on scientific research.

[LogicaLunatic]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Yes, science, it’s a double edged weapon of terrible proportions.

That is true. But the scientists aren't the ones who drop the bombs, as others have pointed out.

What it sounds like to me is that you tried to get something published and were shot down by the scientific 'elite'. Am I right?

If so, what was it?

LL

[Sonart]

Quote by: Merlinebyte Most traditional mainstream scientists are fools. The only entity’s that are dumber than the scientists are the peons that believe their fabricated paradigm.

You'll have to forgive us if we assumed your rant -- and rant it was, since most scientists actually aren't fools -- was a pre-emptive apologia for creationism. Either that or the current Republican administration. If it's neither of those, then what's your point? That scientists are human?

Yes, scientists fall prey to the same office politics, ambitions, arrogance, narrow thinking, greed, and resentments that plague any other institution, be it a corporate office, church, seat of government or high school teacher's lounge. So what?

The fact remains that despite individual foibles, science has dramatically expanded our knowledge of the world around us. Just today we celebrate 50 years since the invention of the vaccine that ended polio. Do you fault that just because Salk and Sabin were arguing over the pot of gold?

Quote by: a friend Science and Religion are the two wings of one bird. Human progress. Without one the other is useless.

Really? I don't doubt that religion has benefitted people individually, but do you have any examples of how religion has benefited human progress? I only ask because I can think of many examples in which religion has fought progress kicking and screaming, but none where it's actively benefitted progress.


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[G. Adams]

Despite many of the myths propagated by inventive authors these days that have just been accepted as truths, it was the Church who for a long time was the home of science in Europe. The alchemists of the past were fascinated with gold from a religious (and no doubt a material) perspective, because they saw it as perfect. No matter what you do with it it always maintains its form once left to settle, while most other materials will change. They felt the secret of immortality hung around gold, because it was Adam and Eve's fall from perfection that made us mortal. If they could learn the secrets of turning base metal to gold, they would understand perfection and how to re-attain it, gaining immortality in the process. Although this bit may be crap (although John Dee apparantly achieved it...) the results of the alchemists lead to modern chemistry. Roger Bacon, who among many, many other things discovered the light spectrum long before Newton and his prism, was a monk. The Church also made some tentative steps into medicine (although they still took the work of the Greeks to seriously, regarding the humours).

It was the later church who feared the dissassociation of science from God who took the reactionary views to science that still persist in regressive areas of society. Thankfully nobody sensible takes them seriously.

[Charles]

religious fanatics and theocrats

Oh great, lets bring in the new magic 'common enemy'

Dont ignore the millions that died in Hiroshima and Nawasaki.
I dont think terrorists have even touched that kind of casualty list

[Sonart]

It's Nagasaki, Charles. I'm not trying to be the grammar police or anything... honest. It just struck me funny that you may have inadvertently combined Nagasaki and Kawasaki. Nor was it millions. More along the lines of 80 thousand a pop.

Which still ain't hay, so your point remains valid.


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[Matt W]

But the scientists aren't the ones who drop the bombs, as others have pointed out.

Charles, I think you missed this quote.

And if you want 'millions', I refer you to the Crusades, the ReConquista, the Inquisition, the Thirty Years War, the Jacobite Rebellions, 16th & 17th century colonialism, the civil war in Sudan (not the Darfur conflict), and, of course, the Middle East as it is today.

Hardly a 'new' enemy...merely one we actually recognise these days - even if it is a bit late.

[LogicaLunatic]

Quote by: Charles Oh great, lets bring in the new magic 'common enemy'

The enemy has been there for a LONG time. We're just finally realizing it :)

[atheist]

To Merlin: magic mannn

So, if "science is for fools" why are you using the internet? Why are you using a computer? These items would not exist if not for science. If you deny the science behind what is inside your computer or the cable that connects you to the net, than you are walling yourself in a shell of ignorance.

[Charles]

Quote by: LogicaLunatic The enemy has been there for a LONG time. We're just finally realizing it :)

I was merely pointing out the fact that its not just these evil terrorists that attempt to use horrific weapons.

[abub]

Science = Culture

Without science, we'd be savages. As long as there are more answers to find, we will find them.

Sure, some scientific discoveries are bullshit, released to the public solely to bring fear into our lives (ie new dangers to physical and mental health), but without science I wouldn't be driving my car, enjoying a cold beer, typing on this keyboard, etc. So I am not complaining.

[Trotsky]

Quote by: abub Science = Culture Without science, we'd be savages. As long as there are more answers to find, we will find them. Sure, some scientific discoveries are bullshit, released to the public solely to bring fear into our lives (ie new dangers to physical and mental health), but without science I wouldn't be driving my car, enjoying a cold beer, typing on this keyboard, etc. So I am not complaining.

But your not a crazy!

[IndieC]

Quote by: Charles I was merely pointing out the fact that its not just these evil terrorists that attempt to use horrific weapons.

No, i think that the US government has illustrated that fact for us. After all, they sold WMDs to the Iraqis, we saw Rumsfeld shaking Hussein's hand in the 80s, and they are the world's only country to have actually used nuclear weapons against an other state. What's more, they also try using propaganda like Fox News on their own people! The worst is, it actually works!!!!! To add to that, it is even affiliated to Sky News! This has prompted me to only watch Sky News for interest rather than factual data gathering. I get most other things from Reuters or the BBC.

Of course, others have also attempted to use such horrific weapons, or have actually used them, take the gas attacks of WWI, or the gassing of Kurds and Iranians by Hussein in Iraq.

In the end, most countries have attempted to use horrific weapons, not only physical weapons, but also psychological weapons, both against their own people, and against others.