Why We Hate

[FC Mellon]

I edited it to read: "congruent"...sorry for the mistype.

[orgaelin]

Sorry for making fun!

But if I'm honest, I feel more the fool because I just assumed you were using some word with which I was unfamiliar! I wasn't really making fun at all! LOL

[meowmeow]

Hate has its place and is a power that we should sparingly and wisely.

[castille]

If a man murders your wife, you hate him because of your inability to protect your wife.

In other words, you were humiliated. You might not even care about your wife, but you werent a man enough to protect her.


Think about it: you see murders all the time. Why aren't you hating all those murderers?

Because they dont show you up. They dont humiliate you.


Hating Microsoft....because you want their success, because you have a million ideas on how to run a company, because you have a billion ideas on designing an operating system....but you don't have the determination to do it.

[orgaelin]

My God man! Where do you get these perverse ideas?!

You sound extremely selfish and self-centered - unbelievably so!

If someone murdered my wife I would hate him because he made someone who I cared for suffer, and because he made me have to go without the love of my wife, and made my children go without the love of their mother.

I would not turn it into an offence to my ego! If I wasn't there then why should I feel bad that I couldn't save her?! If I was there, there could still be plenty of reasons. They only way I would feel as you say you would is if I *could* have saved her but I was too scared and worried about my own selfish ass.

And "man enough"?!?! A *man* puts himself *last* among his concerns.

"Think about it: you see murders all the time. Why aren't you hating all those murderers?"

DUH! Because they didn't kill anyone I love and thus did me no personal harm. If I was as selfish as you, I would/should have guilty even because I couldn't save all those people. Don't you feel guilty for not being man enough to feed all the starving people in the world?! And how come you haven't cured AIDs yet you lazy scumbag!

"Hating Microsoft....because you want their success, because you have a million ideas on how to run a company, because you have a billion ideas on designing an operating system....but you don't have the determination to do it"

The word is INCLINATION. I don't *want* to be Bill Gates and have all that wealth. What good is money when you die, huh? Even if you say you could pass it on to your kids, why spend your life being so selfish - when you could "let the season of giving be yours" (Kahlil Gibrahn) and give it to them when you're still alive?

Truly my friend, I assure you that your life will give you only what you give it. As you long as you sit yourself at the centre of your every thought, life will place you as far from the centre of good fortune as it can get you. You may have wealth and success, you may have everything you desire, but a selfish heart stains everything it touches, and the bitterness you project will be there in every taste you indulge yourself in.

You amaze me, and if there are more like you on earth, you terrify me to the depths of my soul.

[Man Against Time]

Blame the baby-boomer generation. And the wrong side winning in World War II. None of this vomit would be concievable otherwise.

[orgaelin]

"the wrong side winning in World War II"

What?! Am I reading you right?

[PeterAngelo]

The problem is that our ability to reason is only another weapon in our arsenal. It is just another arrow in the quiver.

We are animals ruled by our emotions. Reason only allows us to devise ways to get us what our emotions demand.

Reason makes us think about guilt, vengence, death, hate, fear, love, etc.

We think, sing, write, and fight while we struggle to survive like a mammel with all the physical manifestations that brings.

We live in terror and hate the fear.

We have to be careful because experience teaches us that humans are dangerous liars.

That is our difference from the other animals. We can talk - we can lie.

Language and writing have allowed technology to develope, but human behavior is hard wired.

We put words to emotions that are unstoppable no matter how much we wish them away.

Skull and Bones pirates know that in their gut - that is why they act like pure animals and build war machines.

Sorry, but smart means knowing we are really nothing but animals CURSED with reason and the ability to actualize ourselves.

Death drives us all insane - that's why we do what we do.

[Man Against Time]

Yes, the wrong side won World War II.


Doesnt your signature say, "Balance is everything"?

Now, lets be logical from your own perspective- Which world is in balance?

World A, where all of Western civilization is part of the same model,

or World B, where Western Civilization took a very large divisibe step and split off into very distinct worlds that embody wholly different values?

[orgaelin]

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You speak the truths men would rather not hear my friend! Perhaps the reason no one ever finds the 'ultimate truth' is because somewhere inside he already knows, and fears it. Truth is, we can't handle the truth.

[orgaelin]

Man Against Time... can I call you MAT, cos it's so much easier to type!

Astute observation - my signature says exactly that!

You said...

"Which world is in balance?

World A [HITLER'S], where all of Western civilization is part of the same model,

or World B [OURS], where Western Civilization took a very large divisibe step and split off into very distinct worlds that embody wholly different values?"

[] - my additions for clarification

OK, so a single world order would be good, as in Star Trek. But what if that single world order was a bad one - if the central power was corrupted or perverted by obscure religious views, hatred of minorities, etc. as in Hitler's gang?

That's not balance.

The world is balanced as it is now because for every well run country we have a badly run country. For every good deed there is a murder, for every person who hates there is another who loves. Of course it doesn't ever balance out a perfect 50/50, because that is not true balance.

Balance is a process. If it were 50/50, the balancing would be over. Instead all aspects of the universe, life, business, the stock markets, electromagnetic waves just squabble back and forth, moving towards and past balance, then back again, ever oscillating.

Any extreme of any sort is unbalanced. A single world order is unbalanced. If you had TWO world orders in opposition then things would be more balanced, but the balance plays out better with more players because they all have less weight with which to rock the boat too far.

I kinda get the feeling I'm waffling on without taking the time to make sure my meaning is coming across!

At the very top we have Nothingness and Infinity. They are opposite forms of the same thing, locked in an endless battle for supremecy. (I guess you could call this metaphyics) Every other aspect of existence is merely a microcosmic expression of this balancing act. What do you get if you mix nothingness with infinity, i.e. what comes half-way between these two extremes? Simple; 'somethingness', or 'finity'. The finite exists as the balancing point between everythingness and nothingness.

This may not make *any* sense until you read my upcoming post on infinity. Still, nice ranting to you! To be continued... sort of...

[castille]

I have never seen a single person who is not selfish.


Why do people make friends? Because if you don't you're going to look bad in front of people. Not because you care about your friends, but because you use them to enhance your own image. Friendship is based on necessity; you support each other in order to improve your own chances in life.

Like comradeship; when you go to war you don't necessarily love your platoon, but you stick together because you know if you don't, you'll end up dead.

Love? I doubt it exists. People "love" other people to improve their own emotional wellbeing. If love really exists, why do people divorce?

Family is obvious. Even if you hate your family, you're not going to put up with somebody else insulting your family. Why? Because you feel you have a role to protect your family even if you hate them; unconsciously you become humiliated if you fail to protect them.

[orgaelin]

It depends on how you define selfish. If I surrender all my worldly good and work vollunatrily for the good of others for the rest of my life that, that is selfish. Why? Because I am the one benefitting because I get such a good feeling from being a good person.

The same is true of every good deed - the god doer gets rewarded. But that's an agreeable payoff. No-one accepting help is gona say "no thanks because you're benefitting from it too"!

So we have agreeable selfishness. There has to be a degree of 'self-first' motivation else we wont be able to help others at all.

Again I agree that people make friends for their own needs and gains. But it's not selfish because everyone gains. And it's not about fear of looking bad in front of people! If you don't know anyone, who are you afraid of looking bad to?! Not everyone cares what others think.

"Love? I doubt it exists. People "love" other people to improve their own emotional wellbeing. If love really exists, why do people divorce?"

I agree with this too, but love is complicated. Remember that love for siblings isn't the same as love for a husband/wife. There are many levels of love, and the most infantile of them does start out as utterly selfish. But as you mature you find love that is not selfish. There is always the personal gain, but also the gain for the loved one too.

There is no selfless act or emotion or action or whatever, but selflessness is stupid any way. Most of the time we (that is, all of us who aren't you) act for the benefit of everyone including ourselves.