Does life begin at conception? I think it does.

[Starboy]

Pale Rider, no one is saying that the zygote is not alive. Please do not post references that simply indicate that the zygote is alive. If it is not clear by now that this discussion is about whether a single cell is a human being then there is no hope for you.

Starboy

[carriew]

a fertilized ovum (zygote) is a human being same as you or I. it is a being in a state of development same as my 5 yr old or 2 yr old. or you or I. its just really really small...

[carriew]

Quote by: Starboy Pale Rider, no one is saying that the zygote is not alive. Please do not post references that simply indicate that the zygote is alive. If it is not clear by now that this discussion is about whether a single cell is a human being then there is no hope for you. Starboy

ok I thought I posted this before. but in light of startboys repeated arguments I believes it needs repeating.

First human is an adjective. and we can all agree by its chromosomes it is human as well as everyone agreeing that its a human life though some still refute the being ness of the zygote.

so here we go.


human [Show phonetics]
adjective
of or typical of people:
The human body is composed of about 60% water.
Early human remains were found in the Dordogne region of France.
Victory in the war was achieved at the cost of great human suffering.
The inspector declared the meat fit for human consumption (= in good enough condition for people to eat).
Of course I make mistakes, I'm only human (= I am not perfect).
The fault was due to human error (= a person making a mistake).

human (being) noun [C]
a man, woman or child:
The greatest damage being done to our planet today is that being done by humans.

humanity [Show phonetics]
noun [u]
people in general:
The massacre was a crime against humanity.
See also humanity at humane; (the) humanities.

humanize, UK USUALLY humanise [Show phonetics]
verb [T]
Steps are being taken to humanize the prison (= to make it less unpleasant and more suitable for people).

humanization, UK USUALLY humanisation [Show phonetics]
noun [u]

humanly [Show phonetics]
adverb
humanly possible able to be done by people:
Rescuers are doing everything that is humanly possible to free the trapped people.

Definition
being (PERSON) [Show phonetics]
noun [C or U]
a person or thing that exists or the state of existing:
A nuclear war would kill millions of living beings.
Strange beings from outer space are still a popular subject for sci-fi films.
We do not know exactly how life first came into being (= began to exist.)
Results
being was found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary at the entries listed below.

be (DESCRIPTION)
be (ALLOW)
be (FUTURE)
be (CAN)
be (EXIST)
being (PERSON)
being (BE)
human
the Supreme Being
well-being
be in for sth
be put upon
be stacked up (AIRCRAFT)
be vested in sb/sth
be wrapped up in sth/sb
with every fibre of your being
be yourself
all things being equal
for the time being

Definition
be (EXIST) [Show phonetics]
verb [i] being, was were, been
to exist or live:
FORMAL Such terrible suffering should never be.
OLD USE OR LITERARY By the time the letter reached them their sister had ceased to be (= died).

Ok so now you tell me if it is and it is alive and its human how does this not make it a human being?

or I am sorry what do you mean by being?

[Starboy]

You bring up a good point. The term human being has several meanings. Some of which contradict each other. For me a human being is a homo sapiens (Latin for "knowing man"). It must be sentient in that it must have a working mind. Even the mind of a baby. No working mind, no human being. Now we can post competing definitions for the next twenty pages or we can agree on what we mean when we use a given term. If we can't agree on the meaning of term then we can concoct a new word that we can both agree at to what it means. Otherwise it will be more of the same. We might as well be talking two different languages.

Starboy

[northtexan]

Quote by: carriew a fertilized ovum (zygote) is a human being same as you or I. it is a being in a state of development same as my 5 yr old or 2 yr old. or you or I. its just really really small...

I find it sad that some people are so blinded by religious ideology that they cannot see the differences between a human person (capable of feeling, of consciousness, of self-awareness, and much more) and a single cell or clump of cells. To me, this is a callous, unfeeling, unloving way of seeing humans. It think it ominous for American society that so many see things that way. Even worse, some are willing to kill other humans who provide abortions because of a twisted morality that elevates clumps of cells over the value of actual humans. But most aren't that twisted -- although they would outlaw abortion, thereby elevating the value of those clumps of cells over the lives of some women whose lives are threatened by their pregnancies, over the health of many more, over the well-being of countless more, and over the rights of millions to control their own bodies. And if anti-choice mafia is successful, it will elevate the value of the clumps of cells over the lives of thousands of women who will return to back-alley abortionists to procure their abortions. I long for the day when society can look at such things from a human perspective, and not from the point of view of a sterile, abstract philosophy, based largely on religious ideology. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one; but stop trying to force your religious ideology onto the rest of us.

[carriew]

nope your wrong you prove to me that it can mean any other thing than what I have posted.

then well talk

untill now it is what it has always been same as you or I.

a WHOLE COMPLETE HUMAN BEING FROM CONCEPTION!

[Starboy]

carriew, so I am wrong? So that means that I have posted definitions that you agreed with? If I am wrong then that must be the case. If I am right then I have been posting and using defintions that you do not agree with. Please make up your mind.

Starboy

[carriew]

Quote by: carriew nope your wrong you prove to me that it can mean any other thing than what I have posted. then well talk untill now it is what it has always been same as you or I. a WHOLE COMPLETE HUMAN BEING FROM CONCEPTION!

I believe this said it loud and clear...

[carriew]

Quote by: northtexan I find it sad that some people are so blinded by religious ideology that they cannot see the differences between a human person (capable of feeling, of consciousness, of self-awareness, and much more) and a single cell or clump of cells. To me, this is a callous, unfeeling, unloving way of seeing humans. It think it ominous for American society that so many see things that way. Even worse, some are willing to kill other humans who provide abortions because of a twisted morality that elevates clumps of cells over the value of actual humans. But most aren't that twisted -- although they would outlaw abortion, thereby elevating the value of those clumps of cells over the lives of some women whose lives are threatened by their pregnancies, over the health of many more, over the well-being of countless more, and over the rights of millions to control their own bodies. And if anti-choice mafia is successful, it will elevate the value of the clumps of cells over the lives of thousands of women who will return to back-alley abortionists to procure their abortions. I long for the day when society can look at such things from a human perspective, and not from the point of view of a sterile, abstract philosophy, based largely on religious ideology. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one; but stop trying to force your religious ideology onto the rest of us.

Just a tip.
You may want to research a bit about someone before you post.(i have posted this recently)

I am a mother of 2.

I had very touch and go pregnancies.

now its story time


I was sick from the minute I found out I was pregnant with my first and second child. I have primary hypertention. I found out I was pregnant due to blood work to find out why I was so sick around day 3 of my pregnancy. I found out on september 3 1999 I was pulled out of work on 9/29/99 I never returned. see I became disabled as a result of child birth.

I was prepared from day one that I was so sick they didnt think my body would support the pregnancy the feared for the life of me and/or my child.

every night I prayed that I could make it to 20 weeks so my child could have a chance to continue her life and if at any point my life were immediatley threatened she would have been delivered by c-secion and hope she would life not killed by abortion. I made it to 38 weeks I had to be induced due to bells palsey and a day and a half later my daughter wendy was finally born by c-section.

I had migranes during the whole first trimester with my son while taking care of my 2 yr old. if was not as dangerous physically tho I did suffer from hbp it wasnt as serious. the second time around the chances for preeclampsia go down after each successful pregnancy.

at four months pregnant my disks blew out in my lower back and I could not walk for a period of time at all. needless to say the rest of my pregnancy was torture.

I got my tubes tied because I thought I was ok with tricking nature and manulipulating my body so I did not concieve agian. I regretted it almost instantly.

I got it reversed on 7-11-05 and god willing we are going for #3.

I am very very aware of what is at stake here. I have no wish to force anything on anyone. I only wish to tell the truth. and by law you are not allowed to kill human beings. If I wanted to or happen to kill my 1 day old I will go to jail for the rest of my life or die for my crimes. but if I go to an abortion clinic the day before I deliver I can pay them to kill it for me.

I dont kill people I dont tolerate others who do. I believe that most abortions would not happen if the laws were changed because people would believe it was wrong. not because of religion but because it would be wrong according to the law.

You have told me what your opinion of what you think you know of me.

It shames me to say that id get kicked off if I told you mine of you.

it is disgusting that human beings can be killed for the comfort, the convience and the dysfuncton of others.

[Starboy]

Quote by: carriew I believe this said it loud and clear...

I read what you posted. Just wondering if you read what I posted.

Starboy

[Flip Jackson]

I don't mean to be rude carrie, but your post was a bit hard to follow. If possible, try to use punction and complete sentences. It will be easier to see what you mean.

Starboy, I think what she meant is "You are wrong until you prove that her interpratation could be flawed." Then she will debate. Sorry to jump in like that. Just trying to clear things up and ease the tension.

[carriew]

Quote by: Flip Jackson I don't mean to be rude carrie, but your post was a bit hard to follow. If possible, try to use punction and complete sentences. It will be easier to see what you mean.

lol I am sorry I do know at least I spaced a bit no. I go fast and sloppy when I get upset. lol thats how you can tell.

Quote by: Flip Jackson Starboy, I think what she meant is "You are wrong until you prove that her interpratation could be flawed." Then she will debate. Sorry to jump in like that. Just trying to clear things up and ease the tension.

umm actually what I said what prove the words mean something different. becasue we were talking about what made a human being.

but that was the jist of it. If you can prove that I am wrong (or at least attempt it) then I will resume debate.

[Starboy]

My point was about definitions. Statements can mean different things depending on the definitions of the words used. It is not clear to me that carriew and I mean the same thing when we use certain words. Words such as "human being". It is not a matter of proving anything but agreeing on what words mean. If our discussion is about reality then ultimately the specific words do not matter as long as when we use a word both of us will point to the same thing in reality.

Starboy

[jai_lyn7249]

Quote by: Starboy My point was about definitions. Statements can mean different things depending on the definitions of the words used. It is not clear to me that carriew and I mean the same thing when we use certain words. Words such as "human being". It is not a matter of proving anything but agreeing on what words mean. If our discussion is about reality then ultimately the specific words do not matter as long as when we use a word both of us will point to the same thing in reality. Starboy

starboy why do you always pick apart carriew.........??????

[carriew]

ok
a zygotic(is this a word lol) human being

in the womb human being

a newly born human being

a child human being

a teenage human being

an adult human being

those are the terms I agree to

what do you want to call us?

[jai_lyn7249]

Human being-a member of the races of HOMO SAPIENS; a man, women or child
Homo Sapien-the toxonomic designation for HUMAN BEINGS; humans as thinkers,as distinctfrom other organisms.
Zygote- the cell formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm; the DEVELOPING organism from such a cell
Organisms-an animal or plant any LIVING THING; an organized BODY

[Starboy]

Quote by: jai_lyn7249 starboy why do you always pick apart carriew.........??????

I am not picking apart anyone. I am trying to figure out the use of terms. We can not even hope to debate if we do not understand a given term in at least a somewhat similar way.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Quote by: jai_lyn7249 Human being-a member of the races of HOMO SAPIENS; a man, women or child Homo Sapien-the toxonomic designation for HUMAN BEINGS; humans as thinkers,as distinctfrom other organisms.

Sorry, but at this point I am debating with carriew and trying to create a basis of understand for the terms as carriew understands them not you.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Quote by: carriew ok a zygotic(is this a word lol) human being in the womb human being a newly born human being a child human being a teenage human being an adult human being those are the terms I agree to what do you want to call us?

Are these stages of human development?

Starboy

[carriew]

I dont think its a problem with the term its with the defination I believe it is a human being and you dont think a human being comes into the picture untill later. You made the mistake of making your position unclear and weak then you tell me what you did mean when you said its not a human being by the correct defination of the words....oh yeah I am still waiting for your definations of the word being.

and yes those are the stages of a human beings development over its lifetime and by zygotic I mean the entire time it is a complete fertilized cell. one cell human being...

and I forgot toddler human being (and I have a 2 and 1/2 yr old lol)