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Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 03:58 pm

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i am still in development am i not a being.
enough trickery of words and simantics do you have proof or what. I want someone elses (an authority)word not just your opinion.

Hey if you want to claim that a single cell is a human being fine. But your source doesn't support that claim. All it shows is that you have a great deal more to learn.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 03:59 pm

you denying it doesnt make it go away.

GIVE ME YOUR PROOF

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:01 pm

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Quote by: carriew

you denying it doesnt make it go away.

GIVE ME YOUR PROOF

You have all the proof you need all around you. There are no single cells that live the life of a human being. Single cells don't vote, they don't get driver licenses, they do not attend school or learn their ABCs. Such an idea is just absurd. It is so absurd that it is a wonder that you would think for a moment that your claim is at all reasonable.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:03 pm

PUT UP OR SHUT UP>

I have done waht was asked I have given you evidence as to why my argument is not an opinion but a medical biological fact.

either provide a credible link to support your postion or stop spewing it your contaminating the place IMHO

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:06 pm

I saw what you put up. It did not support your claim. Every instance of a single cell that doesn't act like a human being is support of my claim. There are trillions of trillions of human cells that when examined as a single cell do not act in any way like a human being. That is a lot of evidence.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:10 pm

any sloughed off cell or excreetedcell is at the end of its purpose. Can you can collect up 1000billion discarded cells and make a preson? one is not the same

wheres your links?

Wheres your evidence my common sense observations of the world around werent good enough well hate to burst your bubble but yours isnt either.

either find evidence to suppoirt your claim or bow down I will not stop asking and untill you do dont post here or I will report abuse on this thread.

thanks for your nonesense now please provide your proof.

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:21 pm

Hey you make my point. If a billion cells randomly assembled do not make a human being then certainly a single cell will not. I have always maintained that it takes trillions of cells of the right kind and assembled properly and all working properly to create a human being. A single cell no matter how special will ever qualify.

As for proof the entire medical profession is dedicated to learning exactly how those cells should be assembled and work in order to have a human being in good order. No medical book would confuse a single cell with a human being. They will say it is potential human being or the place that the development of a human being starts but your doctor is not concerned with a single cell when they examine you, they are concerned with all your cells.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:25 pm

No I dont I make the point of your being silly again. only one kind of cell is a human being or beings(identical twinning)A single cell is a whole human being a zygote or fertilized egg. none of the(no matter how many) plant or excreeted or sloughed off cells will be a human being but a zygote is so youve get it half right.

Please please please provide evidence as I have report abused you 2x now I will look at whatever evidence you provide objectivly just show me something other than your nonsense.

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:27 pm

The evidence that a single cell is not a human being is as obvious as gravity. A single cell never acts like a human being. If it did I am sure we would be reading about it.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:28 pm

you would be if you looked at my evidence.
just becasue it is not obvious to you doesnt mean its not totally apparent to me or anyone else.

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:31 pm

I looked at your evidence. It did not say or even imply that a single cell of any kind is a human being. Yet there is copious evidence all around you that screams out that the difference between a single cell and a human being is at least a trillion. That they are not the same unless you don't know how to count.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:35 pm

4x now I suppose we will see what the moderaters have to say untill they reply I will ignore anything you say as you will provide NO EVIDENCE to prove your OPINION

Its just garblr wawa wawa crap...

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:42 pm

I have provided overwhealming evidence. In fact if I were you I would not taunt the mods. Sometimes the evidence is so obvious that a citation is just not necessary. Since I claim that a single cell never acts like a human being it would be hard to provide evidence since it requires the proof of a negative and that can't be done. However, since these are human cells we are talking about if anyone ever did come across a human cell that acted like a human being I am sure we would know about. The fact that not even one case of such an event has ever occured as far as I know over the billions of people that are currently alive is pretty good evidence that you and your claim are full of it.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 04:44 pm

then if what I am saying is not true howd I find the evidence?????

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 04:46 pm

What evidence? Show me a single cell that acts like a human being.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 05:23 pm

a fertilized human ovum god your thick. it meets every critera science has for being alive and it belongs to the human species.

how many times does one need to say,show,prove something before you understand...

please show your evidence not your mere words to prove its not a whole complete human being just because you cant see it or its not obvious to you doesnt make it not a fact.

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 05:30 pm

A species is not an animal. It is a classification of animal. Our species is homo sapiens. But a single cell of any animal species is not the animal itself. An the issue here is not that a human cell is human, the issue is is it a human being.

As for evidence I have stated on many occasions now that the evidence is as obvious as gravity. There is no need to cite anything. It is also funny that the one citation you have provided did not support your case. Your ability to understand and comprehend the concepts surrounding your claim is questionable at best.

I would be very careful about calling people dense. The fact that I have repeated over and over the very obvious evidence that a single human cell of any kind is not a human being and you have not been able to provide one case where a single human cell of any kind can be shown to act like a human being is beyond dense. Perhaps retarded but I would have to interact with you in person to make that assesement.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 05:43 pm

Yes you have rambled at legnth. Does that make you right? I think not!

where is any evidence to prove your claim I can go and find information on this other self evident thing you discuss gravity. but you cannot on this? HMM I WONDER WHY THAT IS? the only evidence on this that is to be found and cited is what I have posted. and much as you like to deny it I have provided evidience to support my position it is a human being from the moment of conception no matter what lvl of maturity or growth it has achieved it is a human in a state of development.

untill you provide some kind of documentation on your theroy of why people aren't people then I will assume that none exists unlike gravity which is real that I can read and research right this second just as I did my position.

You can think I am retarded all you want cause to tell you the truth It gave me a good laugh as well as I am sure many many others out there on this great internet.

So keep on a'slingin

Im Game!

Starboy · Jul 26, 2005, 06:12 pm

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Quote by: carriew

untill you provide some kind of documentation on your theroy of why people aren't people then I will assume that none exists unlike gravity which is real that I can read and research right this second just as I did my position.

Not my claim. I see that you have no argument left so all you can do is attrubute statements to me that I never made.

Starboy

carriew · Jul 26, 2005, 06:42 pm

i say a human being is a human being(a person or bunch of them would make them be people) from conception you say it isnt.

I say its a person you say its not

I have suppported my claim you have not

see a pattern here?

everyone here knows exactly what I want you seem to be the only one who doesnt get that I am asking you for evidence to support your idea that a fertilized human egg is not a human being and YOU CANT! Your words dont count EVIDENCE PLEASE

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Jul 26, 2005, 04:21 pm	#1107 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	Hey you make my point. If a billion cells randomly assembled do not make a human being then certainly a single cell will not. I have always maintained that it takes trillions of cells of the right kind and assembled properly and all working properly to create a human being. A single cell no matter how special will ever qualify. As for proof the entire medical profession is dedicated to learning exactly how those cells should be assembled and work in order to have a human being in good order. No medical book would confuse a single cell with a human being. They will say it is potential human being or the place that the development of a human being starts but your doctor is not concerned with a single cell when they examine you, they are concerned with all your cells. Starboy Last edited by Starboy; Jul 26, 2005 at 04:25 pm.

Jul 26, 2005, 04:25 pm	#1108 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	No I dont I make the point of your being silly again. only one kind of cell is a human being or beings(identical twinning)A single cell is a whole human being a zygote or fertilized egg. none of the(no matter how many) plant or excreeted or sloughed off cells will be a human being but a zygote is so youve get it half right. Please please please provide evidence as I have report abused you 2x now I will look at whatever evidence you provide objectivly just show me something other than your nonsense. Last edited by carriew; Jul 26, 2005 at 04:27 pm.

Jul 26, 2005, 03:59 pm	#1102 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	you denying it doesnt make it go away. GIVE ME YOUR PROOF

Jul 26, 2005, 04:03 pm	#1104 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	PUT UP OR SHUT UP> I have done waht was asked I have given you evidence as to why my argument is not an opinion but a medical biological fact. either provide a credible link to support your postion or stop spewing it your contaminating the place IMHO

Jul 26, 2005, 04:06 pm	#1105 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	I saw what you put up. It did not support your claim. Every instance of a single cell that doesn't act like a human being is support of my claim. There are trillions of trillions of human cells that when examined as a single cell do not act in any way like a human being. That is a lot of evidence. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 04:10 pm	#1106 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	any sloughed off cell or excreetedcell is at the end of its purpose. Can you can collect up 1000billion discarded cells and make a preson? one is not the same wheres your links? Wheres your evidence my common sense observations of the world around werent good enough well hate to burst your bubble but yours isnt either. either find evidence to suppoirt your claim or bow down I will not stop asking and untill you do dont post here or I will report abuse on this thread. thanks for your nonesense now please provide your proof.

Jul 26, 2005, 04:27 pm	#1109 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	The evidence that a single cell is not a human being is as obvious as gravity. A single cell never acts like a human being. If it did I am sure we would be reading about it. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 04:28 pm	#1110 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	you would be if you looked at my evidence. just becasue it is not obvious to you doesnt mean its not totally apparent to me or anyone else.

Jul 26, 2005, 04:31 pm	#1111 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	I looked at your evidence. It did not say or even imply that a single cell of any kind is a human being. Yet there is copious evidence all around you that screams out that the difference between a single cell and a human being is at least a trillion. That they are not the same unless you don't know how to count. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 04:35 pm	#1112 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	4x now I suppose we will see what the moderaters have to say untill they reply I will ignore anything you say as you will provide NO EVIDENCE to prove your OPINION Its just garblr wawa wawa crap...

Jul 26, 2005, 04:42 pm	#1113 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	I have provided overwhealming evidence. In fact if I were you I would not taunt the mods. Sometimes the evidence is so obvious that a citation is just not necessary. Since I claim that a single cell never acts like a human being it would be hard to provide evidence since it requires the proof of a negative and that can't be done. However, since these are human cells we are talking about if anyone ever did come across a human cell that acted like a human being I am sure we would know about. The fact that not even one case of such an event has ever occured as far as I know over the billions of people that are currently alive is pretty good evidence that you and your claim are full of it. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 04:44 pm	#1114 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	then if what I am saying is not true howd I find the evidence?????

Jul 26, 2005, 04:46 pm	#1115 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	What evidence? Show me a single cell that acts like a human being. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 05:23 pm	#1116 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	a fertilized human ovum god your thick. it meets every critera science has for being alive and it belongs to the human species. how many times does one need to say,show,prove something before you understand... please show your evidence not your mere words to prove its not a whole complete human being just because you cant see it or its not obvious to you doesnt make it not a fact.

Jul 26, 2005, 05:30 pm	#1117 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	A species is not an animal. It is a classification of animal. Our species is homo sapiens. But a single cell of any animal species is not the animal itself. An the issue here is not that a human cell is human, the issue is is it a human being. As for evidence I have stated on many occasions now that the evidence is as obvious as gravity. There is no need to cite anything. It is also funny that the one citation you have provided did not support your case. Your ability to understand and comprehend the concepts surrounding your claim is questionable at best. I would be very careful about calling people dense. The fact that I have repeated over and over the very obvious evidence that a single human cell of any kind is not a human being and you have not been able to provide one case where a single human cell of any kind can be shown to act like a human being is beyond dense. Perhaps retarded but I would have to interact with you in person to make that assesement. Starboy

Jul 26, 2005, 05:43 pm	#1118 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	Yes you have rambled at legnth. Does that make you right? I think not! where is any evidence to prove your claim I can go and find information on this other self evident thing you discuss gravity. but you cannot on this? HMM I WONDER WHY THAT IS? the only evidence on this that is to be found and cited is what I have posted. and much as you like to deny it I have provided evidience to support my position it is a human being from the moment of conception no matter what lvl of maturity or growth it has achieved it is a human in a state of development. untill you provide some kind of documentation on your theroy of why people aren't people then I will assume that none exists unlike gravity which is real that I can read and research right this second just as I did my position. You can think I am retarded all you want cause to tell you the truth It gave me a good laugh as well as I am sure many many others out there on this great internet. So keep on a'slingin Im Game!

Jul 26, 2005, 06:42 pm	#1120 (permalink) (top)
carriew Igneous Magma Location: Faulkville Ga USA Posts: 334	i say a human being is a human being(a person or bunch of them would make them be people) from conception you say it isnt. I say its a person you say its not I have suppported my claim you have not see a pattern here? everyone here knows exactly what I want you seem to be the only one who doesnt get that I am asking you for evidence to support your idea that a fertilized human egg is not a human being and YOU CANT! Your words dont count EVIDENCE PLEASE