Does life begin at conception? I think it does.

[Starboy]

SeanG, I was responding specifically to your simple art of conversation crack.

Starboy

[bishop]

Quote by: SeanG Okay, whatever the way in which you do it, would you like to see a decrease or increase in them Bishop.

i already answered this question.. i will not allow you to define the choices available for MY answer.

MY answer is that i don't care whether there is an increase or decrease. if you don't understand how my ambivalence means that i neither care if there's an increase OR decrease, i'll try to explain it better for you.

(edit: by the way. by citing quotes from clinton and kennedy, are you assuming that i'm a democrat, or that i even respect either of them???)

[SeanG]

Is it rude, or polite, Starboy, to continuously duck and dodge simple/direct questions from a person at a site that is geared towards just this type of action?

[Starboy]

SeanG, you asked, I told you. If you don't like the answer then either ask better questions or get over it.

Starboy

[SeanG]

Gotta love those nihilists. As far as medical procedures go, abortions are one of the more dangerous procedures out there. The least regulated as well. So if your daughter (hypothetical daughter) decides to use abortion as a “contraceptive,” you wouldn’t give a rats ass, correct? Would you like to see an increase or decrease in your own daughters abortions? If you simply do not care about the choices your hypothetical child makes, then why even engage in debate style conversations that deal with moral and societal issues? Are you a masochist Bishop?

[Gorgo]

My age is irrelevant, and if you're lazy to look, I'm too lazy to tell you. I looked at your age, and it makes no difference to me. This is not a thread about age.

The thread is what I think about abortion, and I've told you what I think. Do I think there are better methods of birth control? Yes. What rich people in Washington think of it is nice, but irrelevant. If you think these people are important, then more power to you.

Quote by: SeanG And with all that, Gorgo, still cannot answer a simple question. Even one simpler than the one about abortion is the question of age. That too was left unanswered.

[Gorgo]

I sense that you have a point in all this. Please make it or stop asking questions for which you don't like the answer.

Quote by: SeanG Is it rude, or polite, Starboy, to continuously duck and dodge simple/direct questions from a person at a site that is geared towards just this type of action?

[bishop]

So if your daughter (hypothetical daughter) decides to use abortion as a “contraceptive,” you wouldn’t give a rats ass, correct?

i wouldn't be happy, but i'd inform my daughter of the consequences of each decision and support her in whatever choice she made. if you're going to be "adult" enough to get pregnant and have a child, then you're adult enough to make the choice yourself.

[SeanG]

Bishop, you said you wouldn’t be happy, why?

[SeanG]

Alternatively, what would, in this situation, make you happy?

[Gorgo]

If my daughter decided to have plastic surgery every other week, I wouldn't think that was a good idea, either.

[SeanG]

Gorgo, when did the U. S. Supreme Court meet on plastic surgery and say that it is a Constitutional right, overturning x-number of states rules against such a procedure?

[bishop]

Quote by: SeanG Bishop, you said you wouldn’t be happy, why?

because she got pregnant because she had sex irresponsibly.

are you f'ing kidding me? make your point and stop wasting time with your inane questions.

[SeanG]

No, you must be clear, which I must say you are not trying to be. Pregnancy and sex irresponsibly (using your words) - the bad (?) or good (?) consequence of irresponsible sex/pregnancy is what? Abortion? Because it is a consequence, right? And any woman will tell you that getting an abortion is a very weighty and tough decision. I watched my mom hug and talk to a teenager who just got an abortion and was sitting at a McDonalds crying, thank God my mom was there to offer solace and comfort to a girl that made a tough (and in my opinion the wrong choice of those available to her) choice.

So let me be clear, are you saying irresponsible sex is bad and the abortion isn’t. Or are you saying both should be lessened, through whatever means you wish; (education, contraception, in a committed relationship such as marriage… whatever you choose. Condoms do not reduce irresponsible sex by the way.). Again, would you agree with the senators that abortion, as a consequence of other, as you called it “irresponsible behavior,” be lessened or increased?

This is a very simple question which you haven’t answered yet. Is there anyone besides Bishop or Gorgo that can say it should be increased or it should be decreased? Anyone? Bueller?

[Gorgo]

Was that contested? Is plastic surgery illegal? Is this relevant somehow? Is this affected by my age?

Quote by: SeanG Gorgo, when did the U. S. Supreme Court meet on plastic surgery and say that it is a Constitutional right, overturning x-number of states rules against such a procedure?

[SeanG]

Gorgo, if California banned breast implants, the U. S. Supreme Court wouldn’t take the case as a Constitutional issue. They would leave such a decision to the states. As they should have with abortion.

[Starboy]

Quote by: SeanG Gorgo, if California banned breast implants, the U. S. Supreme Court wouldn’t take the case as a Constitutional issue. They would leave such a decision to the states. As they should have with abortion.

What makes you think that the supreme court would not overturn a California law that banned breast implants?

Starboy

[SeanG]

It’s a states issue, period. Almost all implants have complications, they may increase some forms of cancer, whatever the thinking behind such a hypothetical decision. The Supreme Court’s function is not to tell a state what it’s people should and shouldn’t do in matters that aren’t in the Constitution.

[Starboy]

Quote by: SeanG It’s a states issue, period. Almost all implants have complications, they may increase some forms of cancer, whatever the thinking behind such a hypothetical decision. The Supreme Court’s function is not to tell a state what it’s people should and shouldn’t do in matters that aren’t in the Constitution.

Since when do people not have a right under the constitution to obtain elective surgery?

Starboy

[SeanG]

I gave the example of a hypothetical. In fact, I even stated as much. Any state could see fit to make illegal an elective procedure that is dangerous enough for the patient. For instance, making a foot fit a kind of high-heel. Some woman in Italy do this.