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This topic in Philosophy & Religion is about Does life begin at conception? I think it does..

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Old Jan 3, 2007, 06:43 pm   #1981 (permalink) (top)
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Is Canada committing suicide?

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James Bredin

My country committing suicide at the abortion clinic,
Off into oblivion much like a depressed suicidal cynic,
Demographics and the number of unborn babies killed,
Ironic that the health card allows the government to be billed.

Industrial efficiency with their baby genocide,
No one cares that we might be committing cultural suicide,
But we’re already multicultural in Trudeau’s Charter,
So no need to fret about a tiny trembling fetus martyr.

No one dares to defend unborn abortion-bound babies,
Especially not the activist left-wing feminist ladies,
As they scream all day and night about freedom of choice,
And the abortion killing machine allows them to rejoice,

Pictures and horror genocide stories from Chad wall to wall,
They want us to go and save babies there – what a lot of gall,
But nothing about our own ongoing baby genocide,
Our Charter and our conscience and our silence all coincide.

I almost hate to say this, but pregnant ladies should have babies,
Meet an imam at the maternity ward with one of his ladies,
Where babies named Mohamed will soon outnumber all others,
Already happened in Amsterdam to our European brothers.

Wednesday, December 27, 2006
Abandon All Hope, A New Era Dawns
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 03:28 am   #1982 (permalink) (top)
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I agree, abortion is just plain wrong.
Men and women should not have the ability to terminate life, period.
I truly believe there are some things in life man shouldn’t mess with. Man as a race is unqualified to decide who lives and who dies.
If you define a lump of meat that can't even THINK let alone do anything else as life, then youd better start whipping every girl that has a period.
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 10:57 am   #1983 (permalink) (top)
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I agree--pretty bad taste. --But then again, they did succeed in getting your attention, getting you to remember it, right?
That was most likely their thought process when they thought this stunt up (Mind you they did it in three cities on three different days)

Did it get my attention? It sure did..... it didn't change my mind that's for sure. All it did was piss me off and think of just how little value and respect these hypocrites had.

There were plenty of people who said that it not only didn't change their minds, but even those who were pro life admitted that they would have rather seen them go about it a different way.

It's not just little girls who saw it, but boys and girls of all ages, whom many don't even have a comprehension of what sex is about and are thrown this in their faces a little ahead of schedule of things.

Will it force the discussion? Probably..... just as much as showing a picture of someone shooting their head off with a shotgun or a butchered cow..... it's just disrespectful.

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On the other hand, back in the Old West when hangings were public, it sure must have made a big impression on the little future gunslingers who were thinking of knocking off banks, right?
I doubt it. Billy the Kid?

How many families do you think made it an annual get together to watch a few criminals snap their necks? Hell, our kids these days see worse then what went on back then..... it's not preventing them from doing anything, nor would any decent family take their 4 and 6 year old kids to a hanging....... if they do, those parents must be smoking some bad granola.
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 11:08 am   #1984 (permalink) (top)
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So here in this case, all the little girls who saw the signs and forced a discussion with their parents couldn't later in life claim ignorance to the monstrous evil they would be doing in murdering their own child.
.... Once again.... imposing your opinion onto others and their lives, which have no affect on your own.

Monstrous Evil? How about I take your children to Iraq and show them suicide bombers blowing themselves up, killing the innocent, body parts and blood everywhere...... how about I show them what the troops are doing to the civilians that the media isn't showing you?

I'd have more faith in your opinion once you show some concern for those who are living their lives now, rather then some parasite in the belly who's life has yet to begin...... you're humanitarian priorities are flawed it would seem.

The safety and well being of those around me are more of a priority to me, then something that hasn't even breathed or experienced the earth yet.

Stop all the violence in the world today, stop eating meat and selling all the unborn chickens in eggs to the world to eat away at, stop eating and killing plants while your at it, and then when that's all taken care of, I'll consider the safety of an unborn baby and it's right to experience life.
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 07:53 pm   #1985 (permalink) (top)
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Guarded Baby Genocide

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James Bredin

Genocide on a grand scale and not considered annoying,
No funerals or burials for lives they are destroying,
Our women rush to the abortion clinic with a health card,
And for the live babies in their bellies they have no regard.

And you’re not allowed to notice that this is happening all the time,
Genocide like Auschwitz but that was considered a crime,
It’s now considered women’s free choice – a High Court Charter Right,
To kill the babies in their bellies but always be polite.

And the Charter can’t be changed because it’s written in stone,
At least that’s what they tell us as they forever postpone,
While women dressed in burkas rush off to the maternity ward,
Call their male babies Mohammad which they raise and adore.

Multiculturalism they all call it -- government agenda,
It too is in Trudeau’s Charter spread by their memoranda,
A national secret as our population goes into decline,
And no one seems to notice as politicians say we’re fine.

As we continue to keep our heads buried in the sand,
Read more pumped out left wing propaganda from the paper stand,
As the terrorists and the feminists all claim Charter Rights,
For different reasons of course in their social agenda fights.

Wednesday, January 03, 2007


“A society of sheep will eventually get a government of wolves”… Bernard de Jouvenal
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 04:32 am   #1986 (permalink) (top)
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Stop all the violence in the world today, stop eating meat and selling all the unborn chickens in eggs to the world to eat away at, stop eating and killing plants while your at it, and then when that's all taken care of, I'll consider the safety of an unborn baby and it's right to experience life.
Well said!! I am a pure vegetarian, do not take eggs. But vegetables? Yes, I am to survive. On reading your surmon I should try only fallen fruits and pure water only !!! :)

By the way, if you won't mind what do you eat?????:(

Regarding abortion, I stressed many a times go for it earlier the better, particularly before brain and nervous development of the fetus. In meta physical language before soul entry!!!!!:eek:
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 06:40 am   #1987 (permalink) (top)
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This is turning into a poetry competition.

The people against abortion have run out of things to say, so they are looking for poems.

LOL.
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 08:57 am   #1988 (permalink) (top)
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Well said!! I am a pure vegetarian, do not take eggs. But vegetables? Yes, I am to survive. On reading your surmon I should try only fallen fruits and pure water only !!! :)
Exactly, that's the point I'm trying to get across. People who are pure Vegans and those who try to force their belief that eating meat is murder, are doing the exact same thing they are preaching about, when they eat fruits and vegetables.

Just because a plant doesn't have a face or do tricks, do you not kill it and then eat it? Or do you just eat the plant alive? Most people will say they have no brains and feel no pain..... Then why do they form defenses like thorns and poison, and some eat insects?

Something has to die for something else to survive always.

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By the way, if you won't mind what do you eat?????:(
Everything and anything that can be consumed.

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Regarding abortion, I stressed many a times go for it earlier the better, particularly before brain and nervous development of the fetus. In meta physical language before soul entry!!!!!:eek:
Hmmm... pretty much how I see it, but I feel that the "Soul" doesn't enter the baby's body until the first breath on this planet and life on its own.... until then, it's just sitting there being incubated.
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 03:43 pm   #1989 (permalink) (top)
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So then why does the fetus, think, feel, and play in the womb? Something wihtout a soul coul surely not do this.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 04:05 pm   #1990 (permalink) (top)
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So then why does the fetus, think, feel, and play in the womb? Something wihtout a soul coul surely not do this.
Can you prove it thinks, feels and plays? Who is to say that it's just not electric currents being activated to develop muscles and blood flow, making the fetus twitch and move?
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 10:37 pm   #1991 (permalink) (top)
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A fetus sucks its thumb and practices for life in the womb, everything a baby outside the womb does except it gets its nourishment from the mother, wait, it does that outside too. Can you prove that a baby feels and thinks, how do you know it's not just muscle twitching?


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 01:52 am   #1992 (permalink) (top)
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A fetus sucks its thumb and practices for life in the womb, everything a baby outside the womb does......
Is it also a coincidence that when adults die, suffer or become cold, it is instinct to position themselves into the fetal position, leading the hands towards the mouth?

It's human reaction which has been implemented into our being since being a fetus...... much like when a chicken's body continues to run and flap away after the head has been cut off, it's a last ditch effort of survival.

Now back off of that tangent, how do new born babies learn to breast feed? How do they learn to suck their thumb? Who teaches them these things needed to survive? Developed instincts imo.
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 02:51 am   #1993 (permalink) (top)
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A fetus sucks its thumb and practices for life in the womb, everything a baby outside the womb does except it gets its nourishment from the mother, wait, it does that outside too. Can you prove that a baby feels and thinks, how do you know it's not just muscle twitching?
Because there is a difference between a twitching muscle and a functioning brain.
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 08:21 am   #1994 (permalink) (top)
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They can test that while the baby is in the womb, and I believe thay have.


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 01:40 pm   #1995 (permalink) (top)
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Man as a race is unqualified to decide who lives and who dies.

HUH???? "MAN" does that every day! Whoever believes this, must be opposed in all cases to the death penalty then. I am.
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 01:42 pm   #1996 (permalink) (top)
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I think he is opposed to all death penalty.


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 01:51 pm   #1997 (permalink) (top)
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meaning?

Yes, I am. The way it is carried out in our country (US) has been proven so many times to be flawed. If we are opposed to the taking of all life, then why don't we mean it? Vengeance is not a valid reason for taking a life....read the bible....and by all means "DON"T inject meaning into your response!!!" HA!
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 02:20 pm   #1998 (permalink) (top)
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I was talking about the earlier poster whom you were ridiculing for being for the death penalty, but against abortion.


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 02:52 pm   #1999 (permalink) (top)
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sorry, not ridiculing

Man as a race is unqualified to decide who lives and who dies.

HUH???? "MAN" does that every day! Whoever believes this, must be opposed in all cases to the death penalty then.


Sorry, GM, that you misunderstood my sarcasm. I only meant that we/society DO decide who lives and who dies ALL THE TIME> (wrong, IMO)... I agree with Paleface, and was not ridiculing him/her.
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 03:13 pm   #2000 (permalink) (top)
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Ahhh, thank you, and in that case then I agree with you, too.


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